James Carville: Take your "superior moral case" and cram it up your ass

Yeah, I do. But only when I work remotely (from home).

The skill has taken many years to perfect. :slight_smile:

You’re right. However, sometimes I wish that someone like Carville would - preferably in the middle of a sound bite - just say, “You know, this is all indefensible horseshit…,” detach his lavaliere mike and storm off the set.

I can dream, you know…

I’m not worried. As far as gigs go, I worry about mine and my wife’s and that’s pretty much it. :wink:

I love the name “The Grinnin’ Skull.” I just looked at the Yahoo images link, and it occurred to me that if Carville spray-painted his head red, you could stick him in the Captain America movie and the visual effects guy would probably get an Oscar.

I wish everyone that makes an argument that Florida got railroaded by the Republicans were forced to watch that video. Usually when someone is railroaded, they aren’t up front in the engine grinning and yelling “WoooooWoooooo!”

I can’t look at Carville without thinking my precioussssssss

Or he could sing and dance off-Broadway in Bat Boy - The Musical (warning–Flash)

But who would you be pissed at?

I place the blame for this whole debacle squarely with the rules committees of the parties. They’ve been fellating Iowa and New Hampshire for as long as I can remember, and I’ve never understood why. If they had come up with a process that could engage more people and not cast all the attention and favors on the same two states every four years, Florida and Michigan never would have had to compete for the crumbs (as it was thought at the time) that the parties were willing to toss them. Most years, the nominations are a foregone conclusion after South Carolina and 47 states are irrelevant. That fact that we’re only ignoring 2 this year is a huge step up.

For that matter, this isn’t a true election and we don’t have to count anybody. As I understand it, the political parties are private groups that set their own rules and procedures. They could pick their nominees out of a hat if they wanted.

Clinton didn’t campaign in Florida either. The ‘didn’t campaign’ data point doesn’t really carry any weight in this.

Agreed with you regarding the consistent hoovering of Iowa and NH. However, if the rules committee doesn’t set some hard and fast guidelines with respect to pre-empting primaries, you end up with a 50-state game of leapfrog.

I agree, which is why the schedule should change with each cycle. Every four years, let a different state go first. Let them bring up the issues that are important to them, and vet the candidates in their own way. They’d have a better chance of enforcing the rules is they were clearly seen to bring more people and ideas into the process. The way they do it now is unfair and chaotic; “you can have your primary any time after March 1, once every family in New Hampshire has had Barack and Hillary for a sleepover.”

The Democrats have no one to blame for this clusterfuck but themselves.

True, but it’s been my impression that once Obama started campaigning in a state he invariably improved his showing against Clinton above what initial polls indicated, and there’s no reason to believe he wouldn’t have done the same in Florida (and Michigan, for that matter.)

So would I. Whatever wrong the local party leaders may have done by holding the primary when they were directed otherwise, how is it fair to nullify the votes of millions of people? How is this a fair election? How does this not raise questions about the validity of the final nomination, and, possibly, of the outcome in November?

We seem to have become incapable of holding an election properly anymore.

It’s not an election. it’s a nomination process. It doesn’t have to be fair. The party leaders can pick a name out of the phone book if they want to.

Jesus Christ! It’s fair because the states ALL KNEW about the penalties long before they started fiddling with their dates. If the penalties are not enforced, you can literally expect to start presidential primary voting in off-year elections, because the states are going to be leap-frogging each other like a freaking flea circus.

And secondly, you’re wondering about fair and democratic representation in a process that includes 700+ superdelegates? The Democratic primary is what it is. You work with the rules as they stand. The rules said “No primaries before Feb. 5th without permission from the DNC”. Michigan and Florida violated the rule. They were punished by removal of their delegates. It’s not even an Obama vs. Clinton thing at this point. It’s a party discipline thing. If the DNC has any hope of maintaining some control of the primary schedule, they have to enforce the sanction. Yes, it may suck for the citizens of Florida and Michigan, but perhaps this will give those citizens the motivation to get off their butts and replace the idiots who insisted on playing chicken with the national party.

I think the two presumptive candidates answers questions directly more often than in any previous election ever. It’s actually what I like most about both of them.

Of course, the media hasn’t pushed McCain too hard yet since the focus is still so much on the Democrat race. We’ll see how he holds up under closer scrutiny.

I am from Michigan. I voted. I did nothing wrong. My vote does not count. I did not move the date up . I just voted.

If you’re unhappy about your vote not counting, take it out on your state legislature, not the DNC or Obama or Clinton.

So close. But I have to deduct points for failing to insert a real person, preferably a sympathetic former service man, into your speech.

Reworked:

"That’s a good question, and I’m glad you brought it up. The American people, the hard-working decent people spread across the great land of ours, people like John Smith here (pan to John Smith, waving a tiny flag) who risked his life in Iraq and saved thousands of Iraqi schoolchildren after hurling himself on a bomb, who is now unemployed and ineligible for medical benefits which will allow him to get a prosthetic leg…are an optimistic, hard-working people in this great country we call America.

Yet one more thread that’s worth my annual $7.48, and then some, all by itself. The landing skid of the last chopper out of Saigon, Skeletor, Carville spray-painting his head red and getting a gig as Cap’n America, Bat Boy - the Musical, and of course Baldwin’s perfect non-answer. I’m gradually regaining my breath after laughing my head off.

That’s only true in a Clinton doublespeak sense. She did make appearances in Florida shortly before the rogue primary there but didn’t refer to them as campaigning. On top of that, in Michigan she slacked off in removing her name from the ballot like all the other candidates managed, thus by default being the only one to win any of the rogue delegates there. If you think she didn’t know exactly what she was doing in both cases then you haven’t paid attention.

Sure your vote counts… if it weren’t for Hilary grasping desperately to primary votes that violated the rules she would have already had to have admitted defeat long ago. So they may not count directly – and they should not because your state party leaders didn’t feel like they had to follow the rules – but they already had more influence than they would have had if they had just been counted in the first place.