Jason Stark's "Overrated Ballplayers" Book

I’m not really outraged by any of the names in Jason Stark’s new book on overrated baseball players. He probably hopes we WILL all get outraged, because that’s free publicity.

And anyway, there are already hundreds of books out there that are little more than collections of lists designed to spark arguments. I’ve gotten tired of those.

But while I won’t fall into Stark’s trap by screaming that he’s an idiot who doesn’t know anything about baseball, I do wonder how certain players can possibly be judged as “overrated.”

Examples? Well, on his list, he has Graig Nettles as the most overrated 3rd baseman ever and Ron Blomberg as the most overrated DH ever.

Overrated? How? By whom???

I’ve been a Yankees fan most of my life, and was at my most passionate back in the Seventies. I liked Blomberg and loved Nettles, like most Yankees fans of my era. But neither is in the Hall of Fame. Neither ever won an MVP award. Neither did dozens of TV commercials. Neither has spent much time in the spotlight since retiring. Ask die-hard Yankees fans about Nettles, and they’ll tell you, “Decent glove man when he first came to town. BECAME a very, very good glove man later. Good power, ideally suited for that short right field fence at Yankee Stadium. Hall of Famer? Nah! Not by a long shot. Best 3rd baseman in the league? Not really. Good guy to have on the team, though.”

Ask about Blomberg, and you’ll hear, “Blomberg? Oh yeah, the Yankees first DH. First DH ever, in fact. Pretty good hitter. Got off to a great start in 1973, flirting with .400 early on. But he was useless against lefties, and once the rest of the league caught on to that, his average plummeted.”

So, one has to wonder… how could either Nettles or Blomberg be overrated when they’re not in the Hall of Fame, won almost no awards (Nettles had a Gold Glove or two, which doesn’t stike me as outrageous), and haven’t gotten any media hype in decades? When even die-hard Yankees fans have never claimed they were superstars?

What gives? I think maybe Stark felt he needed to put SOMEBODY at every position and just couldn’t think of any genuinely overrated guys at 3rd base or DH.

Either that or he just hates the Yankees.

A lot of Yankee fans remember Nettles out of proportion to his stats. I am guilty of being one of them. If he was talking to fans like me and my brother, he would think Nettles was overrated. As far as Blomberg, I don’t understand. He is a footnote in baseball history and nothing else. You rated him better than anyone I have ever talked to. :wink:

Jim

The only reason I remember Nettles is because his 1981 Fleer baseball card is the most valuable in the set. The first printing called him Craig Nettles, but it was fixed soon after that. The ‘Craig’ card is (or was) worth about as much as the rest of the set together.

Unless Stark was hanging around card collectors without knowing what they were talking about, I can’t think of a reason why he’d say Nettles was over-rated.

Astorian, Nettles was a great glove man in Cleveland before he got to NY. You didn’t mention that he had an excellent sense of humor. Other than that, you’ve got him pegged. As Blomberg, he was never good enough to be considered overrated.

As for the rest of Stark’s team, here it is:

C: Benito Santiago
1B: Steve Garvey
2B: Steve Sax
SS: Phil Rizzuto
LF: Lou Brock
CF: Andruw Jones
RF: Dave Winfield
RHP: Nolan Ryan
LHP: Sandy Koufax
RP: Lee Smith

Santiago and Sax fit with Bloomberg into the “not rated highly by anyone so how could he be overrated category.”

Well I can see some of his points- Nolan Ryan was after all, barely over a .500 career average pitcher, Koufax ‘only’ had six great years, Sax turned into a basket case who couldn’t throw to first, Garvey known for “playing every day”, Santiago known for a 34 game hit streak and nothing else, Lee Smith got tons of cheap saves, etc. But agree with the OP that most of these guys aren’t known as superstars in the first place.

Perhaps he’s a poor judge of humor. Many of us are pretty humorless where our favorite teams are concerned.

One gem I recall being attributed to Nettles, on the team plane- 'we have a problem, Luis Tiant needs to use the bathroom and the sign says ‘no foreign objects in the toilet’.

Oh, Nettles was hilarious. His most famous line in New York was, “Like most kids, I used to dream of either being a baseball player or joining the circus. I’m with the Yankees, so I got to do both.”

I also remember that, back in 1978, the Indians had a player named Wayne Cage who wore number 17. Nettles noticed “CAGE 17” on the guy’s jersey, and asked, “Is that your home address?”

I haven’t seen the book yet so I don’t know the basis of Stark’s opinions. However, since five of the players in his line-up (Nettles, Rizzuto, Winfield, Sax, and Blomberg) spent all or a good part of their careers in the Yankee organization, one might suspect him of anti-Yankee bias. But that could just be a coincidence.

That being said, I can certainly see how all of these players would be considered overrated.

C: Benito Santiago - Had a few good years but injuries prevented him from joining the likes of Bench and Berra on the list of all-time great catchers. Despite his early potential, he probably ranks somewhere below (the underrated) Manny Sanguillen.

1B: Steve Garvey - Seemed to have Hall of Fame written all over him during his peak years with Dodgers in the 70’s. However, his productivity faded quickly and that prevented him from building up the lifetime career numbers that would’ve made him a shoo-in. Also, an ugly divorce and an embarrassing series of paternity suits occurring shortly after his career ended didn’t help.

2B: Steve Sax - Like a number of posters have said, he’s overrated? Before his mental block, I considered him to be a solid defensive player and above-average hitter but nothing spectacular. I don’t think anybody else ever put him in the same category as Joe Morgan or Ryne Sandberg.

SS: Phil Rizzuto - He had very good offensive and defensive numbers for a shortstop during the 1940’s but I think his fame and selection into the HOF are almost entirely due to Yankee-mystique. This has been said many times before but if Rizzuto had the same career with … say … the Philadelphia A’s, I don’t think he’d be in the HOF or remembered today (unlike, for example, Joe DiMaggio who would’ve found his way in no matter what team he played for).

3B: Graig Nettles - Unparalleled glove man who could hit with power but his lifetime .248 batting average is what’s keeping him out of Cooperstown. Had he been elected to the HOF, I could maybe agree with Stark that he’s overrated. But since he’s not, I think he’s rated about right.

LF: Lou Brock - Hall-of-famer who’s one of the greatest base-stealers of all time, has over 3000 hits, and remained a solid hitter until the end of his career. That being said, I remember there were some gripes about Brock striking out too much and being somewhat erratic defensively so I’m guessing that’s where Stark’s criticisms lie.

CF: Andruw Jones - He just turned 30 and currently has 349 home runs. Unfortunately, his lifetime batting average is currently only .265. Still, it might be a little early to put him on the all-time overrated team.

RF: Dave Winfield - Until some late-career offensive heroics in the 1992 World Series, was criticized for not having any “important” hits. Steinbrenner’s claim that he was “Mr. May” didn’t help either.

DH: Ron Blomberg - I don’t why Stark would claim he’s overrated since everybody considers his career as little more than a footnote (unless Stark thinks even that distinction isn’t obscure enough).

RHP: Nolan Ryan - Rap against him is that he was a .500 pitcher who walked too many batters (especially in the earlier part of his career). Was actually much better when he got older but I think his enshrinement in Cooperstown has a lot to do with his longevity (see also Phil Niekro). If he hadn’t remained an effective pitcher after turning 40, I think he would not have made the HOF and would be regarded as only a bit better than Sam McDowell.

LHP: Sandy Koufax - Probably had the most amazing four consecutive seasons (1963 to 1966) of any pitcher since the beginning of the “lively ball” era before being forced to retire at age 30. I think that certainly qualified him for selection into the HOF. Beyond that, I think Koufax is highly rated because outside circumstances prematurely ended his career when he was near or at his peak. The aura of lost potential greatness surrounds him.

RP: Lee Smith - Is he that highly rated by anyone? Even when he set the mark for most saves (which has since been broken), I don’t think anybody put him in the same category as Rollie Fingers or Bruce Sutter (and they had far fewer saves). If his reputation is inflated, I think a lot of it is due to confusion over what makes a great HOF-caliber relief pitcher. For awhile, the biggest statistical factor was the number of saves but I think the careers of people like Smith and Jeff Reardon proved that was unreliable.

I’m a little surprised Stark didn’t pick Reggie Jackson or Kirk Gibson (not that I would’ve necessarily agreed with him) for his overrated team. Those names usually get mentioned when people are discussing overrated baseball players.

OK, you pass! :smiley:

Here Stark explains what he means by “overratedness” and gives his list of the 10 most overrated current players.

Before I forget: Overrated Ballplayers[ band name rights mine.

My ignorance has been fought in this thread (in don’t ask’s link) because I thought Jayson Stark was a large black guy.

Half of Stark’s list is made up of players I reacted this way to. Honestly, where is the Steve Sax For The Hall of Fame lobby that overrates him? He’s barely remembered, and it’s not like people were putting him at the top of their MVP ballots on a yearly basis when he was active.

“Overrated” is one of those things that’s hard to define because everyone has a different opinion of what “rated” means, so how far “over” you are is a subjective call. Frankly, I don’t know anyone who gives a shit about Steve Sax anymore, so I’m curious as to how he’s overrated, or underrated, for that matter.

Lots of his picks are that way. Nettles not only hasn’t been elected to the Hall, but he’s not even been close, and there is no serious lobby to have him inducted. My perception is that, if anything, he’s been forgotten to a greater extent than I would have expected.

The choice of Andruw Jones is positively retarded. The choice of Blomberg is idiotic.

The only choice I solidly agree with is Nolan Ryan. I’ve seen a LOT of baseball fans cite Ryan as the greatest pitcher of all time. It’s a common refrain, and since he’s not even close to being that, it’s a pretty reasonable pick.

You’re probably thinking of Jason Whitlock who, like Stark, has been an ESPN talking head. Whitlock is more a general sports guy, while Stark has been a baseball writer mostly.