Best to just get over it or it’ll be a long four to eight years.
Man, I wish I had some malt liquor right now though. I gotta talk to the guy who stocks the company beer cooler…
Oh, and…
So did Jesse ever really give a fuck about black rights or has he just spreading all that conspiracy vitriol for the past twenty years so he could get laid?
And all this time I just thought he was in it for the money…
Can I get an amen?
And now Willie’s copied him. GO Willie… Da Mayor cracks me up.
Heh. Just one big lovefest for us 
No, I don’t think it’s okay that he can’t keep his pants on. But even if he did come clean to beat the media to the punch, at least he did 'fess up instead of trying to bullshit his way past it. I give him that. But that’s it.
I am way behind the curve on all the references in this thread:
[PunditLisa:] Bill Cosby? What’s the deal with Bill Cosby? Say it ain’t so, Cos!
[stofsky:] Nixon? W?
Hi Opal
As for the Reverend Jackson, ::shakes head:: sad and pathetic. Looks like when he was at the White House advising Clinton they were really just exchanging war stories.
Although I’m dissappointed in him, and, at the same time, glad that the old media whore will stop stealing the limelight from sane liberals, I gotta wonder what the problem is with him counseling Clinton. How is that at all hypocritical? He was counseling, not comdeming. Hell…Alcoholics Anonymous has alcoholics counseling alcoholics every Tuesday night, with some great success. I don’t have a problem with the Clinton counseling thing at all.
drpepper,
Here is the story on the Bill Cosby affair.
As for the Nixon reference, all I could find was a quick mention of an affair with a waitress in the 50s. She denied the affair.
The W. (George W. Bush) mention is an incorrect one, unless stofsky knows something the media doesn’t. It was most likely intended for his father, George H.W. Bush. There is a link to a Cecil column about it courtesy of woodstockbirdybird a few posts up.
Arden -
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With whose money, becomes the question. Can’t wait to hear the answer to it, too.
That’s the part that deserves public scrutiny. All the rest is the same old political skeletons in the closet.
I guess you do come off a bit more sleazy and hypocritical when you’re a man of the cloth and not a politician.
The people who are actual sponsors with AA have some sobriety under their belts. They don’t bring a bottle with them to enjoy while they are helping you stay sober. If someone is going to counsel someone else they should be able to say been there, done that, this is what has helped me stay sober/clean/free/sane/whatever. Not been there, done that and am still doing it, in fact here is my drug of choice .
JFK: Duh, Ditto brother Eddie.
FDR: WHAT? When was this?
RWR: When?
GHB: Thin
RMN: Huh?
WJC: Who?
GWB: When?
JFK: Duh, Ditto brother Eddie.
FDR: WHAT? When was this? Had a long time affair
RWR: When? *Standard youthful Hollywood hijinx (I think before he married Nancy). I never heard that he messed around after he left Holloywood for politics.
GHB: Thin
RMN: Huh? I really doubt this. It was probably the only commandment he’d have kept without a police guard watching him.)
WJC: Who? (Current–through noon, today, holder of the office.)
GWB: When?
oldie…nice one. You rule sometimes. 
I am a bit disappointed in Mr. Jackson, but what can you say? The President of the US has an affair in the Oval Office, and a majority of Americans still loved the guy, and he likely would have been voted into a third term if it were possible. This stuff is small potatoes - Jackson doesn’t even hold any elected office, IIRC.
No, but he had vigously self-promoted himself as a moral spokesman for decades. THat is why I find this even more disturbing than the who Clinton debacle. With the Potus there is a certain expectatoin of moral standing, but it isn’t anywhere near as inhereant as in a minuster, a man who has spent years beseaching his followers to choose a moral path. Now his apologists are forced to bring out the “Well, a man makes mistakes, what are all you people so upset about” line. People who wish to continue to support Jackson have to downplay the severity of adultry. I find this toublesome because it encourages the rising American atitude that a bit of tail is so exciting, so enticing, that no one can really be expeceted to resist when oppurtunity comes knocking.
Just my two-cents worth, but why does everyone get pissed-off and act shocked when a public figure gets caught screwing someone? Kings, Presidents, Princes, and all the other “world-Leader” types have been drinking and whoring since the year zero. Hell, if there were any truth in the campaigns for election, most would say that’s why they WANTED the job. Why else would someone go through the pain and general loss of privacy to get elected? Get rich or get laid; that just about summs it up. The only other reason I can think of would be pure ego gratification, NOT something they would want to advertise. S
Have a good’un.
Another one bites the dust. I feel sorry for the child. I wonder what name was put down on her birth certificate as the last name. Surely not Jackson. This child will have to go through life with the realization that she was born out of wedlock with a father that is prominant in the public eye. She will never have a normal life. It will haunt her forever. What were these people thinking?
Then you have the wife. If this was a normal everyday couple you can believe she’d kick his butt out right away. But she’s in the public eye, he’s a minister, so what does she do? Stand by her man? Everyone knows that Hiliary stood by Bill because she had political ambitions of her own. It certainly made her look good to stick by him.
I doubt that Mr. Jackson’s wife will leave him. It’s turn the other cheek if she’s to set the example.
Americans should be using these ‘mistakes’ made by our public officials as examples of how NOT to live. Open to the public is all the hurt, shame, and pain caused by straying outside the marriage vows. Everyone faces temptations, it defines the character of a man/woman on how they face and handle them.
Ultress, I think you would be surprised at how many wives (and husbands too) stay with their spouse after an affair, even one that produces a child. I know quite a few myself.
As I said before, I feel so sorry for Mrs. Jackson, and all the children involve. Both the child of the affair and the children from his marriage.
Oh yeah, how you been ? I haven’t seen much of you lately .
WJC: OH! doh! Our newest ex-president. Sorry, I’m not hitting on all cylinders sometimes.
I hadn’t heard about Ronnie’s, neither Nixon’s. Oh well.
Why don’t we have any other black leaders, anyway (I mean, unless you want to count Farrakhan shudder)? The closest we come are a few role models (meaning Big Successful People Who Are Black) like Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Bill Cosby, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, etc. Maybe Spike Lee, 'cause he’s political. Whoopi Goldberg? But those are all entertainment and sports figures. There’s Kweisi Mfume and that congressman from Atlanta. I don’t know: everybody just defers to Jackson. I hate to see the way Democratic candidates have had to kiss his ring every election year: I never thought the man was worthy in the first place. I hope this incident means that we will finally see someone new replace that King wannabe, someone who can represent a new generation of black Americans.
There are three black guys on my shift. Two of them are pretty outraged over this (though one of them is pretty conservative and it’s not like he was a Jesse fan before this came out) and one guy says it shouldn’t matter. I think this has pretty much destroyed Jesse as one of the ‘black leaders’.
And no doubt you know, what with working with such a large statistical sample…
I have asked around, and while my statistical sample may not be large enough to justify an accurate scientific result :rolleyes: , here is what I’m hearing-
Blacks who want to distance themselves from the gansta rap, women-are-bitches-n-hos, no-family-values-in-the-hood stereotype are very dissapointed.
I am too. Sorry, but keeping a promise to a spouse should be important. I won’t even go into the whole “man of the cloth” issue, because I don’t want to hear all the damaged Catholics start in on the priest who touched the altar boy…
I guess it’s just naieve (sp?) to hold yourself to a higher, more honorable standard.