Actually I do not want to derail this derailed thread but there is absolutely no evidence that a “spirit” exists and biologically we do have explanations for behavior, so it would be a clone despite any mental gymnastics.
Only if the spirit is willing and the flesh is weak.
Going on the scripture/alien model, the spirit can be separated from the body. The body would really just be a cover, a machine without any consciousness for the spirit to control.
This model also allows technology to accomplish the above, take a spirit out of a body and replace it in the same or another. So the spirit can be returned to the body, but doesn’t have to be.
Where’s Dr. Frankenstein when we really need him?
Didn’t the towns folk lynch him and destroy his lab and writings a while back for proving the spirit was separable from the body or something? 
Thankyou thankyou, that is exactly what I’m asking.
My point exactly.
Whether God is within this universe or outside it, there are certain rules inside this structure. Even quantum uncertainty has its rules.
So its safe to say that bringing a biological being back from death is impossible. Cloning, copying - that may be possible but not yet and certainly not 2000 years ago.
Which then raises the question - why was a resurrection story necessary? Possibly to give weight to the nascent religion and for the symbolism of dying for our sins followed by rebirth. In the context of the times, that was a powerful and effective story. Sacrifice and hope.
Still there is a major ethical problem: the most widely spread religion in the world has a falsehood at its core. I do find that troubling.
Take Tertullian as your guide.
From De Carne Christi
Crucifixus est Dei Filius, non pudet, quia pudendum est;
et mortuus est Dei Filius, prorsus credibile est, quia ineptum est;
et sepultus resurrexit, certum est, quia impossibile.
The Son of God was crucified: there is no shame, because it is shameful.
And the Son of God died: it is wholly credible, because it is unsound.
And, buried, He rose again: it is certain, because impossible."
There’s a belief with big brass balls. A belief you can admire (even if you don’t share it.)
But all religions have falsehoods at their core. It’s a defining characteristic of religion - whence their requirement for faith, because not a single one of the thousands extant stands up to logical scrutiny.
Substitute “some” for “all” and you have a pretty good idea of what’s going on.
Cite please?
Are you asking yourself for a cite?
In any case, every religion on Earth proposes a supernatural answer (except for whatever non-supernatural religions you might like to put forward, so exempt those) for life’s questions.
Nothing supernatural has ever been demonstrated. The evidence points to a mundane universe. Since none of the religions of the world have met the burden of evidence for their supernatural claims, it’s fair to say they all are false. Not necessarily lies, I’m sure many are well-meaning but incorrect.
No, I was asking Der Trihs to help me by providing a reference to the lines of poetry he quoted: “That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons death may die.” I would like to read the poem, if you don’t mind.
And how many people posted between that quote and your request for a cite? Next time, try to be a bit more specific.
If you are referring to this:
, could you name some religions that don’t qualify?
Call of Cthulhu, HP Lovecraft.
If that doesn’t register, then get thee to a library! You have some (very entertaining) reading to do!
The answer is but a google away:
Here’s the link I meant to give when the phone rang:
Jesus wasn’t all dead; he was only MOSTLY dead. There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there’s usually only one thing you can do.
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What’s your question?
It’s a fact that no human being has ever or will ever “rise” after they’re dead.
Bio-cloning techniques from a shred of DNA in the far distant future are excluded… I don’t even know about them.
No humans ever “risen”. No gods exist either.
Again, which religions fall into your definition of “some” please? And if there is more than one religion in that group, please demonstrate how they don’t contradict each other (thus negating their inclusion in that group).