Jesus: Myth, or Man?

Spiderman/Peter Parker is featured in Fantastic 4 comics, and, the other way around. Similarly, Doctor Strange and Daredevil and The Punisher all share similar storylines - in the same city - no less.

Note that in the Two-Source hypothesis, etc, they do not include John, which clearly is a second source, independent of the Synoptic Gospels.

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Which does not at all mean that John was entirely uninformed by the Synoptics.

Yeah, I switched contexts there; Nazareth not existing wouldn’t matter to a secular historian. But IMO it would be a huge deal to believers. In that same paragraph, he says it wouldn’t matter to Obama’s historicity if he hadn’t been born in the US, and that’s true, but it would matter quite a bit to his Presidency.

Sorry, I don’t know which statement you mean. That Joseph turned aside from Judea to Nazareth?

No, in fact some have hypothesized his Gospel was a "answer’ to the Synoptics.

Seriosly? How does one write and “answer” to something about which he is wholly uninformed?

I’m not really sure why you want to be sarcastic. You are making unfounded claims with no facts to support your claim.

DrDeth is agreeing with you.

New here, are ya?

Thanks.

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Which claim was unfounded?

I think the better question would be which one - wasn’t -. I mean, you’ve made so many claims on this thread and not a single time have you been able to produce one fact that actually proves a “historical” Jesus existed.

The fact that he - probably - existed is beside the point. No one gets to claim - he existed - without the proof.

:confused: Can you construct a rigorous proof that, say, Plato existed? Or Dante? You might have a 99.9999% likelihood “proof” but never 100% – just consider Boltzman’s thermodynamic paradox. :cool:

The question is: Estimate the probability of Jesus (suitably defined) existence. Is it
1% to 10%
30% to 60% or thereabouts
90%
98%
99.8%
??

I’ll go with 98%-plus that a real Jesus from Galilee existed, was a charismatic healer/rebel, was crucified by Pilate and/or baptized by John the B. Others?

Is this your admission that you can’t actually name an unfounded claim? :wink:

Yes, I would say there is 99% chance both Plato and Dante existed. There is abundant historical facts which indicate this.

Based upon what facts?

Please cite an example of an unfounded claim.

Please try to keep up. To the best of my knowledge, no one is claiming to possess proof. Rather, people are asserting that historicity is the more reasonable presumption, i.e., that it is a case of inference to best explanation.

Oh, yes, it is a reasonable - assumption - to say a “preacher” named “jesus” existed.

But you do not appear to be discussing an “assumption”. You’ve been at this for several days now, with lots and lots of links and propositions and “views” from historians. It seems to me like you are arguing that he did exist, not that he probably existed.