Ok, so this is a little after-the-fact. But if there were to be a secong coming, and the new JC was executed, and then arose, would the perps be tried for murder or attempted murder? I mean actually died, not like in that silly movie.
Please, this is not a question about religion.
Peace,
mangeorge
interesting
you can’t kill God
and for that matter there is no law against it (i think) Jesus was executed under civil law which is not murder under the law.
If I get you right, when Jesus comes a second time and someone murders him, propmting Jesus to come a 3rd time? - not suppose to happen.
So in essnce, what you are asking is if somebody can be tried for murder if the victim comes back to life.
I don’t think so because to assume that the new JC did arise from the dead would require faith that He is the Son of God. I can’t see that holding up in court. Legally all you could say is that he didn’t die in the first place, even though he was clinically dead.
What would you call such a crime? Deicide? Messiacide?
Anyway, if we’re going to speculate on things the Bible says won’t happen, you might as well ask yourself this one: “What happens if the Devil turns nice before Judgment Day?” It would make the book of Revelations wrong, that’s what.
Or would it? God might argue, “He only became nice to make me a liar. Ergo, he’s being a right prick!” (Sound of lightning)
But if they kill him, and go to jail, and he comes back to life, they CAN kill him again without fear of getting tried again, right? 
(at least in the US…)
Ok, forget god for a moment. 
What if someone were to be killed, and was cryogenically frozen. And that during the killers appeals, say in 5-6 years, science found a way to give him (the victim, of course) a new heart and brought him back to life.
What about that, huh? 
Also, If I shoot someone, and he is in a coma and his family unplugs him, letting him die, do I get charged with murder?
Peace,
mangeorge (A little morbid tonight)
In most jurisdictions, an attempted murder is legally identical to an actual murder of the same class. Pretty much all of the scenarios that are described would fall within the definition of attempted murder; ie an action which is reasonably likely to cause death. The fact that death is avoided or reversed by various miraculous means wouldn’t negate the intent.
Boy, we’re really simplifying now! Okay. Alan is in the care of Brian. Alan gets sick and dies; Brian is guilty of negligent homicide because he is judged to have had the capacity and responsibility to have prevented the death.
Alan is truly, legally, dead. No brain function. But before Brian completes his trial, Dr.X announces his new, fantastic hair replacement and brain activity restorer formula. Alan makes a complete recovery. Are the charges against Brian dropped?
The obvious answer is yes. How can someone be sentenced for a killing when the corpse is sitting right there, eating a pizza? On the other hand, one purpose of law is to prevent further criminal activity by others, through example. Brian is still guilty of an act (or inaction, here) that caused a death.
My ruling: Alan to be executed by lethal injection. It’s his time. Brian to serve out his sentence for the crime. Dr.X banished to Thule for life, for playing God. Hair restorer to be turned over to the judge for ahem safe disposal. Free pizza and beer for the jurors. All female attorneys to wear short skirts and heels in my courtroom from now on.
Next case.
In response to k2dave (I’m a newbie, so if anyone could explain how to bring up previous text, I would be ever so greatful…)
Even if Jesus was ordered to be executed by the government, is it still not murder if He was innocent of the charges brought against Him? I’m not sure it fits under the definition.
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[Even if Jesus was ordered to be executed by the government, is it still not murder if He was innocent of the charges brought against Him? ]
Welcome LisaRX
I carefully worded my response [ Jesus was executed under civil law which is not murder under the law.] - I believe that if someone is executed by civil authority it is not murder. It is confusing because there are 2 murders. The 1st one is “thou shalt not murder(kill)” from the Big 10. if you broke this commandment you will have to answer to God no matter what civil law says or even if they catch you. The second murder is the one defined in the law and what Mangeorge is talking about. it is the ‘best’ that man can do in this society to ensure justice - there are mistakes. someone can be found guilty of a crime he didn’t commit and serve time or be executed for it.
LisaRX:
You ask what would happen if we execute a person for a crime and we later find out he was innocent. Would the people who executed him be murderers? Legally, they are usually protected. The only way they would be liable is if they knowingly convicted him even though they knew he was innocent…if there is some sort of legal fraud. And even then it would be difficult to prove. Prosecutors are immune from criminal liablity from simple mistakes. If the DA framed the guy, then he’s in trouble.
But back to the OP. If you kill someone and he comes back to life, I believe it would be treated the same way that we treat someone who is grievously injured yet recovers because of heroic medical intervention. You will probably be charged with attempted murder. Your defense attorney could almost certainly show reasonable doubt that an actual murder occured, since he can show the jury the victim alive and well. I doubt the prosecutors would take a chance on a murder conviction, since the burden of proof is on them, and they would have to convince a probably skeptical jury that a miracle did in fact occur. Most attorneys try not to argue for the reality of miracles, since there’s likely to be at least one skeptical curmudgeon like myself sitting on the jury.
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I guess a change of plans is in order.
Hmmm.
Maybe a hex.
If I were to go on national tv and publicly place a hex on John Doe, saying that he would die in 15 minutes of an aneurism, and he did, could I be charged with murder?
Let’s say that John is 22 years old and healthy as a horse.
Let’s further say that they perform an autopsy and find some of my DNA in the area of poor John’s fatal owie.
Your patience with my inane (insane) questions is much appreciated.
Peace,
mangeorge
BTW; John’s in Denver, and I’m in Manhattan.
I guess a change of plans is in order.
Hmmm.
Maybe a hex.
If I were to go on national tv and publicly place a hex on John Doe, saying that he would die in 15 minutes of an aneurism, and he did, could I be charged with murder?
Let’s say that John is 22 years old and healthy as a horse.
Let’s further say that they perform an autopsy and find some of my DNA in the area of poor John’s fatal owwie.
Your patience with my inane (insane) questions is much appreciated.
Peace,
mangeorge
BTW; John’s in Denver, and I’m in Manhattan.
If a DA is willing to prosecute, then you could be charged. It would be up to a jury to decide based on the evidence the DA gave that you had somehow caused the death. The willingness of the DA is probably directly related to how easily the jury would buy the story.
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