You realize that you can be a mom-and-pop proprietorship or closely-held business and still operate a franchise of a nationally-branded company? You just enter into a franchise agreement with the national company-- but you still own the store.
You’d better go do a little more google research, Jackmanii, before you hold forth again.
Not that this has anything to do with anything, but a small business, mom and pop, franchised, or not, can be sued for employment discrimination just as much as a publicly traded movie studio can.
You’re really going to keep on the schtick that Jews being over-represented as the heads of movie studios, as writers, as directors, and probably as producers, is probable cause for an employment discrimination? That really strikes you as the likely reason? Really?
Against whom anyway? The industry as a whole? The individual studios that have Jewish heads for having Jewish heads?
And will you also bring similar suits against the University of Chicago if you find out that a large percent of their Department of Economics is now and historically has been Jewish? (Yes, I am making that up. I have no idea if it is true. And don’t care. You get the point.)
punoqllads, I will not take up the torch of defending the papers conclusions. No one yet though has answered my hypothetical. Assume the authors are incorrect but pretend for the sake of the question that they are not, or that at least the argument was strong enough to convince you it was very likely true. How would you react to that? How would various segments of the non-Jewish population react to having that used as an explanation if the evidence for its being true was, in our imagined pretend hypothetical, incontrovertible?
I imagine it would increase Jew hatred and increase the calls to limit the power of Jews in society. Oh those crafty Jews - watch out for them.
Whatever the role of Jews may be in Hollywood, the talent on the creative side right now mostly seems to be Gentile.
James Cameron, Christopher Nolan, David Fincher, Ridley Scott, Michael Bay, Wes Anderson - none of them are Jewish.
Those names came right off the top of my head. For Jewish directors other than Steven Spielberg I actually have to think about it. Hmm…Jerry Bruckheimer. Oliver Stone (half Jewish and I don’t believe he identifies himself as Jewish.) Judd Apatow. Can’t think of any others.
Not for being owned by a particular ethnicity.
I went over all this before. You keep pretending that this is just a case of Jews being “overrepresented.” This goes well beyond being merely overrepresented. Jews in the legal profession are overrepresented, comprising 20% in the big firms compared with 1% of the population.
The numbers in the entertainment industry, on the other hand, look absolutely overwhelming. Overwhelming to the point that it looks like prima facie statistical evidence of discrimination would be pretty easy to establish.
My views are atypical so I don’t know how most people would react, but I wouldn’t have a problem with it and I suspect that even if a lot of people wouldn’t admit it, those same people would probably have a higher estimation of a Jewish person’s ability just based on their ethnicity.
On the issue of the heads of all the major studios being Jewish, I don’t think that can be written off as being mere coincidence. I don’t remember enough about statistics to do the calculations, and probably wouldn’t bother even if I did, but as the sample size grows, I think the odds increase exponentially. Is it still possible? Sure. But then so is getting hit by a meteorite.
Really. “Overwhelming”?
What the Hell are you talking about? Please show me any evidence that the number of Jews in the industry as a whole are overwhelmingly Jewish. Sorry, showing that the heads of the majors are, at this point in time, mostly Jewish does not do that. To show that you need to show that a vast majority of the entire management team and production staff are Jewish. And I really do not think that such is the case.
Heck, since you do not sue an industry, I’ll take evidence that even one major’s administrative and production staff is “overwhelmingly” Jewish as a point for your position. Without even that, man you are just making shit up.
Ah, but you stated that you suspect that good old boys’ “networking” by Asians (akin to the "good old boys’ networking you claim is responsible for Jews holding major studio executive jobs) is behind supposed Asian dominance of convenience story ownership, and thus discriminatory. How this would happen in spoke-world is a bit hard to fathom, of course. Are Asians “networking” to get to buy favorable locations and freeze out non-Asians? Is 7-11 preferentially awarding franchises to Asians (remember, 7-11 is a Japanese corporation, ooooh)? If this kind of stuff was actually going on there’d certainly be scope for anti-discrimination lawsuits.
In non-spoke world, most people view Asians owning/running convenience stores as an example of recent immigrants getting ahead in the world by finding an employment niche that they are comfortable with. It takes an entirely different mind-set to cop a resentment to the fact that they’ve been successful in this endeavor and to insinuate that there’s something unfair/illegal about it.
Again, while I’d love to just deny that there is any basis at all to any stereotypes, positive or negative in nature (because once you accept one, even a positive one, like “Jews tend to be smart”, you set up the conditions to accept negative ones as well, like “Jews are money-grubbing”), some facts cannot be denied: Jews are over-represented in certain fields, including the top levels of Hollywood. But that is a far cry from the untruth that Hollywood “overwhelmingly” employs Jews, and the assertion that the relatively large numbers of Jews in the business of Hollywood, both historically and to the current day, is evidence of discrimination against non-Jews, is humorously ironic, as one of the factors that historically concentrated Jews into more cutting edge and experimental emerging industries was that anti-Semitism blocked their entrance into many established business areas:
Like the Asian immigrants who see that a convenience store is a path to financial security that is open to them and take it, ploughing what they make into their children’s educations and pressuring those children to become professionals whether they want to or not. And yes sometimes it is easiest to go where the stereotype says you should go.
That same cite interestingly also has the following to say:
So who’s resentful?
This is a different animal. Nobody is preventing me from starting my own franchise. So the predominance of South Asians in the industry does me no harm. More power to them!
On the other hand, if I want to pursue a career in Hollywood, it looks like there may be some roadblocks to success.
Yes. You’d need talent.
I keed.
Dude, just give me a camera and watch me make magic! 
I thought of a possible control group. Is the British film industry dominated by Jewish executives the way the US film industry is? If not, that would tend to argue against the whole special aptitude/experience/brainpower explanation. If the explanation is special aptitude (for whatever reason) the Jews should rise to the top of the industry in the UK too, no?
Sadly, but not surprisngly, the place to find information on the “domination” of the UK media by Jewish executives is in anti-Semitic sites. Mostly.
Anyway, it does seem that there is an over-representation of Jews at the top of the UK media as well. Only 0.5% of the UK population, 1/4th that of America’s, yet very well represented at the top of that industry … and among British Nobel Prize winners too (14% of the Nobel Prizes awarded to British citizens have been to Jewish British citizens). Sound like a familiar pattern?
The linked article is on many Jew-hating sites. As you read it you can perhaps understand the context in which your innocent suggestions are heard.
Yeah, not surprising, I guess.
Yeah, I see your point. Too bad, because it is an interesting topic of discussion, but you’re right; it does give troglodytes something to run with.
I’m just a newbie here but I’m not sure it’s appropriate to link to anti-semitic sites for any reason. I don’t intend to report it and since you’ve been here a lot longer I defer to your judgment, but if you have any second thoughts about that, I would prefer to see it removed. (didn’t go there so don’t know how bad it is).
In this case it serves a useful purpose. I can see why Jackmannii is up in arms now.
And when troglodytes control the what topics you can and can’t discuss, who wins? Hint: it ain’t us.
Linking to a message board with an agenda of hatred will generally find the link broken on the grounds that we don’t want to encourage trolls from such sites to sniff their way back to this board.
Simply linking to an obnoxious site is less likely to draw any staff reaction. (We allow all sorts of links to Fox News and MSNBC! 
) As long as there is adequate warning of what one will find there and the intention is not to either mislead or to provoke fights, we are probably going to let such links alone.
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spoke, I agree with Evil Captor and do not think that the subject is off limits for discussion. Knowing the context merely informs the discussion more fully.
And in this case sites like that were the most easily available source to answer your question and I do not doubt that information, even if their interpretation and spin of that information is what it is. Yes same pattern in the UK. Your requested “control group”.
Like I’ve said before, that is the spirit in which the observation of Jews in Hollywood is commonly made, and that is why some want to pretend that it isn’t even true that Jews are really over-represented there, and why Foxman tries to spin it as they “just happen” to be Jewish. And while yeah, that context may make some bristle at an insistence that Jews overwhelm Hollywood and tense up when the word “control” is used (the reaction that the article of the op was mocking), pretending that the over-representation does not exist, pretending that it is something that “just happens” out of random chance, or refusing to discuss it, are, I think, incorrect responses.
I don’t have that much of a problem with the “troglodytes” who run websites devoted to bigotry. Their agenda is clear-cut.
More repellent is the process of spreading hate through insinuation and Just Asking Questions. Here the agenda is still clear to those who’ve heard these tropes propagated over the years ad nauseum, but it may be less obvious if you haven’t been following the sport, so to speak.
There’s a passage in Herman Wouk’s The Caine Mutiny where the Navy advocate who’s defending the accused mutineers tells his clients that the lead judge in the case doesn’t like Jews. His conclusion is based on the contemptuous overtones he hears when the judge pronounces his (classically Jewish) name. His comment runs something like “I have absolute pitch for those frequencies.”
Reaction to this comment may be eye-rolling at the “oversensitivity” of the character, or recognition that there’s real-world experience backing up his ability to detect even subtle forms of bigotry.
Personally, I don’t think I have “absolute pitch” and there are occasions where people have innocent curiosity about subjects that raise hackles in those who’ve repeatedly heard them in negative contexts. After ten years on this board* I do believe that my relative pitch is well-developed and that I can detect the off-notes. There’ve been quite a few JAQoffs over the years.
*hurray for me! Do I get a prize? :dubious: