Yeah he did but he was just a patsy
the grassy knoll guman didn’t work there so he wouldn’t have had easy access to the building like Oswald did
Yeah he did but he was just a patsy
the grassy knoll guman didn’t work there so he wouldn’t have had easy access to the building like Oswald did
It’s my personal theory, based on what I know about acoustics, that the source of the grassy knoll shot sound is from an echo. The grassy knoll was right in front of a hard, flat, large, vertical cement wall, part of the overpass the cavalcade was about to enter. Anyone standing in that area was likely to hear Oswald’s shot(s) bouncing off the cement in a very convincing manner. If they had a good vantage point, the sound they heard would be closely linked in time to the actions taking place right in front of them in the car.
It’s possible some observers heard both the direct and reflected sound, and came to the logical conclusion that there were two shooters, one from each direction, with synchronized shots. Others may have been unable to hear the direct sound, but heard the reflected one and found it hard to believe the official story that contradicted their senses.
I used to have a neighbor who practiced drums on his back porch. There were places in my house, with just the right windows and doors open, when I could hear his drum hits directly thru my back door, then a fraction of a second later, the sound bounced off a cement wall into my bathroom window. If I closed the bathroom door, I heard the echoes only, and there was no clue that it was an echo, as the cement wall introduced no discernible distortion.
Maybe Oswald could have let him in?
Regardless, the shot from the Book Depository would have been an absolute pot shot. You’d be shooting down Elm at a relatively short distance (less than 100 yards, IIRC) with a gentle curve to the right. Nothing a trained marksman with a scoped large bore rifle would have any trouble at all with.
I actually think firing from the Grassy Knoll might have been a harder shot- more relative motion I think.
I saw a program on the tube, maybe History Channel, where they duplicated that 3rd shot. What made this different from the previous re-enactments I had seen was they had developed a pretty realistic fake head. The skull was made of some ceramic that reacted the same way to bullets as bone would and the plates of the fake skull were connected to each other as close to that of the real thing as they could manage. They duplicated brain tissue, muscle fibre, skin, and fluids the best that they could. It was mounted on some sort of crash doll body, and it was driven in a similar convertible as the Presidential Limo. Of course, the firing angle and speed of the vehicle was duplicated.
Long story short, the damage to the skull was nearly identical. And the splatter patterns on the interior of the vehicle were similar to those found in the Presidential Limo. Their conclusion was Oswald firing his rifle from the 6th story of the TSW could have done that damage to JFK.
One can only hope that the world ignores the 51st anniversary of the JFK assassination. Because if he hadn’t been shot that day in Dallas, he’d have almost certainly died of old age by now.
Time for everyone from Kennedy acolytes to assassination conspiracy theorists to just let him go.
They can’t. Not since the accident with the particle accelerator, rubber band and a liquid lunch.
There’s also the problem that human memory is a notoriously subjective thing. People remember things they couldn’t possibly have experienced. Witness all the posters who join just to mention they too absolutely remember the alternate ending to “Big”.
Worse yet, human beings try to make a sensible story out of their sensory experiences. So, in the quest to make sense of the world, our brains can also create sequences of events that just don’t happen.
Besides this, anybody questioned about the matter in the immediate aftermath is going to be in a state of heightened tension, adding even further to the potential scrambling of their recollections.
A fair number of people in Dallas almost certainly experienced this.
It’s not so much the jerking of JFK’s head, but that Oswald (an adequate marksman but far from an elite sniper) pulled off 2 shots that hit the target in a short time span with a rifle known to be rather unreliable for the purposes of rapid long-range fire.
Tests done with the actual rifle model that Oswald used, even performed by expert marksmen, have shown just how difficult such a feat would have been.
All of the above are correct, but just think practically. A bullet that pierces a human skull at absurdly high speeds will not act like a fist punch to the back of the head. It hits, tumbles, and then exits and (as seen from the Z film) takes a substantial part of the front-right portion of the head with it. Where else would the head travel?
The film itself conclusively disproves a shot from the grassy knoll unless one believes that a bullet explodes upon impact. Expert analysis shows that it does no such thing, and common knowledge shows that it does no such thing. How many gun shot victims hit in the chest, for example, have an explosive, gaping chest wound in the front with pieces of ribs and the like spraying forward?
I’ve never fired the actual rifle Oswald shot, but I have fired bolt action rifles. Oswald actually took three shots when assassinating Kennedy. Three shots in six seconds isn’t impossible. It’s hard, but that doesn’t even come close to making it impossible. I am also no great marksman, but if I had missed one out of three shots at a target that size, from that range and declination, while using a scope; I would be having a very bad day.
Conversely, if there was a gunman on the grassy knoll, he’d have a harder target to hit, traveling across and toward him, from a lower vantage point, with the windshield to contend with. It’s a much more difficult shot.
I would attribute to adrenaline the fact that he did it with such speed, and missed a really easy shot 1/3 of the time. When you add Tibbet’s death and Oswald’s arrest while on a long lunch at the Texas Theater, I’m pretty sure Oswald himself thought he shot Kennedy.
The only thing worthwhile the JFK Conspiracy Industrial Complex has brought to us is the lyric:
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There’s a time to **** and a time to crave, But the Shah sleeps in Lee Harvey’s Grave!
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Sheer Poetry.
Absolutely false. Any poster in this thread who has full use of his or her arms, and who has never fired a rifle, can pull off what Oswald did with 1 hour of training from me, an amateur. Plus Oswald MISSED a shot. It was a short distance shot with a scoped-rifle.
This simply is not true. It’s completely false. I know it’s oft-repeated on the Internet, but it is just totally wrong. The shot was quite EASY.
The shot was under 100 metres, which with a high powered rifle is actually very short range. Standard military shooting practice is done at 100m and 200m and anyone who’s used a rifle on a range will tell you 100m is silly easy. Has Oswald been 300 or 400 metres away, THAT’s long range. 80-100m, which was the actual range, is short.
The time span isn’t as short as people think it is. The absolute LOW estimate from first to third short is 5.6 seconds and it may have been as high as 8. Just use a stopwatch. Bang, three seconds, bang, three seconds, bang. It’s not exactly forever between shots but it’s not super quick. The bolt could be worked in a second.
Oswald had practiced with the rifle and so knew how to sight it. It was perfectly reliable. He was a good shot, as demonstrated by his scores in the Marines.
I was a pretty good shot in the Army and assure you if I’d been there and had been a homicidal psychopath out to kill the President, he’d have been a dead man. It was an easy shot.
A Marine sharpshooter with training equivalent to LHO’s replicated the event multiple times during a restaging done in early 1964 to generate data for the investigation. He used Oswald’s rifle as it was found and I believe even used more ammo from the same box; not only did he get off three shots on every pass but got off four on one. QED.
Among other things, the road on which the limo was traveling had a slight downslope. The effect was that once a bead had been drawn on JFK, he stayed in the bulls-eye even though the car was moving away - the combination of away and down kept the targeting the same.
You can look it up. Or you can keep repeating the distilled bullshit CT’ers have been spouting at each other for decades about how totally incredibly impossible every single part of it was.
Mistakenly perceiving “Multiple shooters” seems to be a particularly common mistake amongst witnesses of violent attacks. Initial reports from mass shootings seem to always feature them anyways, even though in reality they usually end up being due to only one gunman.
I think something in the human brain is made to leap to the assumption of multiple attackers.
A picture being worth a thousands words, there’s the first person shooter JFK:Reloaded where you can take the shot yourself. It’s a remarkably easy shot.
Just be sure to follow the rules and only try to replicate Oswald. Do not shoot the driver and then kill everyone in sight. It will make you question your sanity later. Not that I tried that.
The 6.5mm Carcano round isn’t suited to long distances, because it’s a round-nosed bullet, and not a modern spitzer. However, the shot was only 81 meters, far under the range where this lack of distance would be a factor.
I’m far from a sniper, and I could absolutely make that shot with my Savage 110 .308.
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Tests done with the actual rifle model that Oswald used, even performed by expert marksmen, have shown just how difficult such a feat would have been.
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They’ve actually done the opposite, and shown that it wasn’t that difficult.
The limo driver shot him in the face with a .45. You can see it plane as day, he turns back and pop with a pistol.
And here I always thought they were talking about a “gassy troll” there in Dallas. “Grassy knoll” explains a lot.