I think Ohio State has made it clear they’ll do everything in their power to keep him. I’m not sure how long they’ll be able to hold out, though.
The NCAA should offer OSU 2 sets of penalties:
(1) Option 1 - Jim Tressel stays
(a) Vacate all 2010 wins (this is going to happen no matter what)
(b) 12 scholarships lost in 2013, decreasing 4 per year for 2 more years
© No post-season play for 3 years
(d) Probation for as long as Tressel is head coach
(e) Any violation during probation results in death penalty.
(2) Option 2 - Tressel is tossed out like the lying, cheating fuck he’s always been
(a) Same as above
(b) 6 scholarships lost for 2013, 3 in 2014
© No post-season play for 2 years
(d) Probation for 5 years
(e) No reference to death penalty
I’m sure Bobby Bowden passed along any knowledge of NCAA violations he ever gained during his tenure to the AD.
Probably not, but is there a specific instance that you’re thinking of? The thing with FSU is that pretty much all of our violations have become public knowledge almost immediately so there was never a chance of hiding things as long as Tressel did.
Now, would Saint Bobby have acted similarly if say, Charlie Ward (this is a hypothetical - as far as I know, everyone says Charlie was as clean as they come) had done something similar to the OSU scandal?
Frankly as a lifelong FSU fan (and I saw both Bobby’s first and last games as head coach), if he thought he could get away with it, certainly. One of the many reasons that, while I’m grateful to Bobby, I’m glad he’s gone.
I have nothing specific in mind, no.
Just to be clear, I have no actual animosity towards Free Shoes U or for anything their players did. It’s so obvious to me that the NCAA is a cartel making millions of dollars by exploiting their “scholar-athletes,” and its rules are so byzantine and ridiculous, I just can’t understand why people get so worked up about violations. Unless it involves cheating on schoolwork, who cares?
Interesting choice of phraseology…
For what it’s worth, even the NCAA never alleged that any coach had knowledge of the cheating and deliberately played an ineligible player. Unlike the current situation in re OSU.
The idea that these athletes are not playing in return for compensation is a silly fiction promoted by the NCAA.
Start a conversation about how wrong it is that the NCAA schools profit off of the backs of unpaid labor and you’ll soon hear a lot of talk about the extraordinary value of the scholarships these athletes get.
These athletes are already being paid, just in scholarships instead of cash money. They are being paid directly for their labor since a scholarship player cannot simply decide to drop the sport to focus on his studies and continue getting the scholarship.
For many the scholarships is nothing. They have no intention of getting a degree. One or 2 years and they are gone to the pros. They go to college ball for better competition and name recognition.
Scholarships mean nothing? how else could they get a player? Make him pay tuition and walk-on?
Looking at the state of the current CBA negotiations, I think the NFL has figured that out and is trying hard to rectify that problem. 
Lots of rumors on the internet that Urban Meyer will be the next Head Coach of OSU.
Preposterous?
or
Possible?
Sometimes that happens. But the scholarships are not what many go to college for. It is minor league training and first rate coaching in their chosen career. They want to appear in bowl games and get attention from the NFL. Most do not finish their education. They never intended to.
I realize that the blue-chippers are exploiting the College system as a minor league for NFL, NBA. But there is no way that blue-chippers are going to pay $20-30 thousand to attend OSU, Florida, USC, Texas, etc.
There might be some exceptions to that rule, but not many.
The scholarship program is the only way that many of the kids can play. If scholarships are reduced, the blue-chippers still get the scholarship, but the talent around the kid will not be as talented. Less Wins, Less TV exposure, lesser bowl games.
Reducing the scholarships really hurts the school.
What? You have that completely backwards.
The pro leagues exploit the colleges as a minor league, and the colleges exploit the players as a revenue source.
Any other worker in college would get paid for their output, unless they’re an athlete.
The NFL should pay the football teams for the service they provide. same for NBA.
I agree that the pro league are exploiting the colleges. But the kids are exploiting it too, to a certain degree (lower). CFB and CBB kids quality of life is much better than the equivalent in minor league baseball. They get national TV exposure, IMO better coaching. Yes, minor leaguers are getting paid and the college kids have that pesky things called studying. But if the kids truly are studying, they do have something to fall back on.
So Yes, IMO, the exploitation goes both ways. And I agree that the kids are on the short end of the stick.
They get scholarships, which include food and board and nice facilities, and an actual education. With what college costs now, that’s nothing to shake a stick at.
While there is certainly an almost boundless supply of hypocrisy in the NCAA and the whole system, the student athletes aren’t being forced to play football. They’re more than welcome to take their skills elsewhere, say to the AFL. Or a construction site.
The scholarships fall an average of $3000 short of a student-athlete’s expenses. Cite.
How glib.
You’re missing the point. No one is forcing these kids to play football. They face the same thing every kid that age faces, deciding what to do with their talents. If they don’t want scholarships, nobody is forcing them to take them. If the scholarships aren’t enough, again, they don’t have to take them.
For a majority of people, college scholarships are a way to defer (note: not pay completely) the costs of a college education. As such, they are a boon to these student athletes. If they don’t want to go to college, nobody is forcing them to.
No, YOU’VE missed the point. The university is almost certainly not making a ton of money from the efforts of Joe Gradstudent, but they are making a ton of money from the talent and efforts of Bill Quarterback and Dave Point Guard. They have valuable skills, but they’re only permitted meager, and in many cases to them, unwanted benefits.
It’d be one thing if the schools were paternalistically guiding young, inner-city men towards getting the most educational benefit that they can, but the graduation rates indicate that it’s not a priority. The priority is making a bunch of money to pay coaches’ salaries, athletic director salaries, administrator salaries, and funding the rest of the athletic department.