JLA/Avengers!

Nope! :smiley: Apparently there’re three of us!

There’s a Thor in the DCU (See the John Byrne issues of Jack Kirby’s New Gods), and presumably the Marvel Thor could glom off of his sidestream believers.

Note that there is a third type of Adamantium. Golden Adamantium, of which there is exactly one known example, Hercules’ Mace. It’s historical/mystical and shares only the name.

Close, but not quite. Cap’s shield is a vibranium/adamantium mix. It was made by Maclain, then he spent the rest of his life trying to duplicate it, resulting in the discovery of Adamantium years later. And if there is one thing that could damage true adamantium, it would be Cap’s shield wielded at Hulk-level strength.

Lok

Sorry Lok, you’re mistaken.

Avengers Annual 2001 point-blank says that there’s no adamantium in Cap’s shield.

Direct quote from the second page from the end and the last page (they’re not numbered):

Note that this isn’t from a letter column or a text page or something: it’s an actual story page.

The shield wasn’t even made from the same stuff as adamantium–adamantium has no steel or vibranium in it. It’s made from something called “AD-Resin X, and AD-Resin Y”. I don’t know what they are, but they’re clearly not steel and vibranium. :slight_smile:

Fenris,
Well, I can’t find any comic quotes to back up my statement. I was using a Marvel fan website. But I stand by the idea that Cap’s shield could damage adamantium if it was used with enough force.

Lok

Actually, Herc’s mace is made of adamant, the mythical metal from which adamantium’s name is derived. Adamant is a superstrong godmetal much like the uru that comprises Mjolnir.

Fenris has kind of beaten me to the punch re: using a “Molecular Rearranger” to damage Adamantium, but I thought I’d add…This page, about “Ultron,” an Adamantium robot, notes that a Molecular Rearranger works by projecting a “magnetic, selective nuclear particle resonator” field (Whew, what a mouthfull!). In Ultron’s case (er…no pun intended), it’s used to render his Adamantium joints “malleable for periods of movement.” I’d just like to note that, theoretically, if you had a weapon that could project such a field in addition to causing physical damage, you might indeed be able to dent Adamantium. I’d, personally, be willing to concede that somewhat “exotic” weapons such as a multi-megaton Nuke, or a magical warhammer wielded by a god, might indeed be capable of generating such an energy field as a matter of course.

As to how the Hulk was able to dent Adamantium? I dunno…maybe he ate some magical cursed yogurt earlier in the day, or something.

Now, back to the issue at hand (again, no pun intended)…

And, as in-character as it was, Batman’s offhand trouncing of the Punisher ticked me off, a bit. Probably more because I respect the Punisher’s whole ethos more than Batman’s, and not that I thought that Batman couldn’t have “taken down” Castle.

“Ditto” on it seeming uncharictaristic for Doom to have his people cheering him at gunpoint. Plus, y’know…even if that was the usual way he had his people cheer him, you’d that since he’d probably get cheered from that one balcony on a day-to-day basis, he’d have a more permenant means of crowd-threatening set up than to have some minions pointing pistols from Castle Doom’s battlements. Machine-guns on swivel turrets, at the least.

And as for the D.C. heros who were “outraged” at the Marvel Earth’s condition…am I missing something? Is D.C. Earth not supposed to have any problems? Is the whole planet a crime free, first-world utopia? Wonder Woman and M.M. were horrified at Genosha…but didn’t Montevideo get nuked by terrorists, not long ago? How about Coast City? Didn’t they have, like, two world wars in the last three years, counting an alien invasion?

And, please don’t think me a philistine, but the art style looks a little too…well, “old fashioned,” for my tastes. I mean, compared to, say, recent Spider-Man or Mystique comics…or even Batman. Maybe my eye’s have just been “spoiled” by all the computer-coloring and manga-influenced drawings.

Yup. :slight_smile:

'm willing to bet that the over-the-top reactions of Superman and Cap (and to a lesser degree the other heroes) to each other’s world has something to do with the Medusa Mask. It’s been brought into play, so I’d be surprised if it wasn’t being used.

Also, remember that the cuddley sensitive warm-n-fuzzy Doom who’s beloved by his people is a modern (say, 1984 or so) invention. Prior to that, he was a scary tyrant who regularly had people shot for badmouthing him, who murdered people for damaging works of art, etc. I understand it’s a shock to see the character being treated that way, but it’s a legit interpretation, IMO.

The Marvel/DC thing is being overstated, IMO, but it’s there. DC has nothing like “the mutant problem”, or the ongoing dislike/distrust of heroes. DC people DO treat their heroes better.

On the other hand, Lex Luthor is president of the USA over in DC :rolleyes: which is essentially (given Byrne’s vapid remake of the character) the same as the Kingpin being elected.

In addition, beyond Montevideo and Coast City, Count Vertigo’s country was destroyed (and I mean every man, woman and child, and sterilized down to the bedrock) by the Spectre, nominally a hero.

BUT, Marvel has Galactus, who (stupid moral relativism-type comments aside) is evil (Odin’s wrong. So’s Reed. And so’s Eternity and anyone else spewing that malarky. Murdering billions of sentient beings and committing untold trillions of acts of genocide is pretty much the definition of evil. And no amount of “It’s a test!” or “He’s beyond good and evil” crap can get past that) and is allowed to go on his merry way. Can you imagine Superman just ignoring the Sun Eater and saying “Hey, no big deal. He’s just doin’ his job!”? :rolleyes:

There are some differences, but it’s not as easy as “Marvel=Dark” and “DC=Light”.

Fenris

I have it and both volumes of Universe X in TP form. My question is this: Anyone know if Marvel plans to release Paradise X in TP form?

Sorry for the hijack.

That’s nothing, I’ve got a mystical knife made out of the magical metal davidbowie.

Say, I’ve missed about the last 30 years of this stuff. Is there anyplace where I can catch up? Is Mr. Mxyzptlk still a (omnipotent) goofball?

Yeah, but even then…since 1984-or-so, he’s been “warm and fuzzy,” in Marvel’s continuity!

On the other hand, this might not be the “mainstream continuity” Doom…maybe this is actually Earth-615 that’s doing a crossover with a DC elseworld, or something. 615 being a reality where Doom’s still an ***hole.

Or…if the D.C. heroes were being mind-controlled when they were in Latveria (or if they were just really unobservant) maybe they just misunderstood what was happening at the pro-Doom rally…

Doom: “People of Latveria, subjects of DOOM! Behold…these neat new laser pistols that I just invented for my praetorian guard! Aren’t they the coolest?

:smiley:
Ranchoth
(Praise lord Doom, for he is funky!)

Even Emma Peel?

Oh please oh please oh please oh please…

Fenris:

You don’t like the Byrne version of Luthor? I know you’re big on the classics, but I have to say, I think he’s a much better villain now then pre-Crisis.

Granted, but he’s gone from mad scientist to Presidential tyrant. Arguably, they’re two completely different characters with the same name.

Of course, that says nothing of the Silver Age alterations of the Superman universe–before that, Luthor was a mere gangster thug, the Ultra Humanite was the Luthor-equivalent, and Superman threw people into their own bullets. Times change.

BTW, can someone tell me just what Marvel alien race the Khunds are fighting on page 20 (in the panel following the Lobo vs. Shi’ar Imperial Guard image)?

The Brood

That is the funniest thing I’ve heard all day.

No, those are the “whatever those are” pig-piling Mongul. Max is asking about the Orange-skinned guys with smooth faces being blasted by pink muscle-bound baldies.

Not that I know the answer, either. :wink: