Or an unbroken one after getting hit by that truck.
Which one? 
Best Mayberry Mash-up Ever! NSFW, unless you play on mute, but not really so bad, so spoiled:
Enjoy!
That’s so cold, man.
Admiral Kirk is so going to kill your ass.
Can I have your DVDs?
Getting back to the OP, did Joan Collins ever assert that her Edith Keeler was Hitler’s girlfriend? If not, did she ever say anything that could reasonably be construed that way?
The closest that I ever heard of her saying was, as cited by Andy L in post #5, that Edith believed that “Hitler was a good guy.” Even that’s not accurate to the episode, of course, but she seems to have said it on multiple occasions. I myself actually heard her say exactly those words on some Star Trek retrospective or other.
I’m not exactly eager to search “Hitler was a good guy” on YouTube, or any other site, so I’m not able to produce a clip or anything. But Joan Collins does seem to have believed that this was what Edith Keeler was all about.
4.25 or so in this link.
This just goes to show that we (i.e. Star Trek nerds, or Star Wars nerds, or whatever you’re a nerd for) are much more plugged into these things than the actor is. This was clearly just a 5 day gig for her back in 1967. She didn’t care in 1966 what Star Trek was, and she didn’t care all that much what Star Trek was in 1967 either other than her agent said she had a paying job for a week.
I was at a Q&A that Robert Conrad of “The Wild Wild West” fame was doing more than a few years ago. During the session he because more than a bit frustrated with some of the questions. When a guy asked him "What is favorite episode was, he said “I don’t have one!” I acted in them, I never watched them.
I think it’s very, very safe to say that we’ve watched “City on the Edge of Forever” more than she has.
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Oh, I don’t doubt that for a moment. Elsewhere on this message board, you can find posts from me in which I suggest that fans are being pretty unreasonable when they expect actors to remember the details of a single line of dialogue from five years earlier, and stuff like that.
Still, it does seem odd that it doesn’t appear to have occurred to Joan Collins that “thinks Hitler was cool” is not a characteristic you’re likely to find in a character intended to be sympathetic. It’s not like anyone is expecting her to remember what kind of soup was being served in Edith Keeler’s soup kitchen, or some obscure trivia like that. This goes rather to the fundamental nature of the character.
Sure, Robert Conrad may not have paid enough attention to the individual episodes of The Wild, Wild West to have a personal favorite. But surely he had a basic notion of who Jim West was, and would never say something like, “He was a shy, nebbishy type who got nervous around women, and always backed down if anyone challenged him to a fight.”
I had the impression that she knew Hitler to be evil, but considered war to be worse. I remember Spock saying “She delayed the US entrance to world war two”. I’m not sure how that got the Germans to develop nuclear weapons. Fat Boy weighed more than a V-2 could carry.
Yes, but that’s assuming she remembers a guest part on a show she was on for one eps.
If you ask her what Alexis Carrington is about, she can probably give a better answer.
But she just remembered the major plot twist of the eps.: Edith must be allowed to die otherwise Hitler will win. None of the details about the character itself, b/c it was a week or less of work on an unknown sci-fic show. And if like many actors, she only read the pages where she had lines, she probably doesn’t even know why/how Edith rise would help Hitler. That dialogue is btw Spock and Kirk only.
By the end of the war, they were developing aircraft and missiles that could have struck the East Coast of North America. Their atomic bomb efforts were never that advanced, however. It seems clear that Heisenberg deliberately sabotaged the project by miscalculating vital data.
I imagine their design would have been closer to Little Boy (impact) than Fat Man (implosion). Much simpler, and they wouldn’t have needed to spend billions of dollars producing plutonium.
The proposed Amerika Bomber would have had a payload of up to 14,000 pounds. Fat Man weighed 10,300 pounds. Remember that the U.S. didn’t have missiles that could carry an atomic bomb, and delivered the devices with B-29 Superfortresses. Germany had an atomic weapon project in 1938, and then in 1939.
I thought they had designed the Amerika bomber, not built it.
I don’t think Heisenberg sabotaged the project. He couldn’t get enough nuclear material later in the war, the Luftwaffe got the radium for aircraft instrumentation. His experiments used paraffin as a moderator. He almost had a nuclear pile go critical at a university lab that I do not recall the name of. He was very surprised when told about Nagasaki, he did not believe a bomb could be built. I don’t think the captured scientists were told of Hiroshima until after Nagasaki.
The Amerika Bomber was not built. But what if Edith Keeler had lived? And Germany suffered a serious brain-drain due to their anti-semitic policies. Those policies were in place before the war, so they still would not have had the scientists they needed if pacifists had had their way. But who knows what breakthroughs there may have been if Germany had more time?
In reality, Hitler made so many blunders that delaying the U.S. entry into the war by a couple of years would not have allowed them to achieve the alternate future described in The City On The Edge Of Forever. And in any case, the U.S. declared war on Japan on December 8th, 1941. Germany was bound by treaty to declare war on the U.S. after that. So even if Edith Keller lived and teamed up with Charles Lindbergh, it wouldn’t have changed things because Germany would have declared war anyway.
Excellent.
When you call Harlan, mention that the battle of Verdun, mentioned in his script, was fought before the USA entered the war.
To be specific, WWI, not WWII. 
I had assumed that Joan was being flippant.
There were alternate ways of writing the episode that might’ve seemed more plausible - the U.S. stays out of the war, becoming sufficiently isolationist that they don’t even participate in Lend-Lease. Canada’s lesser-known Billion Dollar Gift and Mutual Aid programs pick up a lot of the slack, but not enough to keep the Soviets from wilting in 1941. The Soviets will bounce back and eventually crush an over-extended Germany, but it’ll take until 1947 to do so.
Or whatever. The more plausible alternatives lack the punch of “Nazis win the war!”, though.
“Patterns of Force” also had an ahistorical view of the Nazis, but we can fanwank that future historians like John Gill (and amateur historians like Kirk and Spock) mistakenly *believe *Nazi Germany was ultra-efficient, just like we have mistaken assumptions about early Enlightenment societies.
If Edith’s pacifism had prevailed, the US might not have opposed Japanese expansionism in the '30s, so the whole Pacific war could have been avoided (or at least delayed). Tokyo would have had no (or less) reason to attack Pearl Harbor in 1941.
The US might also have not supported Britain after Dunkirk, giving the Germans less reason for unrestricted submarine warfare in the Atlantic. There were a lot of things that could have gone differently if Edith had begun influencing US policy during the Depression.
So do I, but having not seen or read her comment, I can’t be certain.
I keep thinking of the film Young Frankenstein; “I vas his…GIRLFRIEND!”