Star Trek fans, dish me some DIRT! RE: City on the Edge of Forever

I was reading in the Wall Street today about Harlan Ellison and a feud he has with Gene Rodenberry over the Star Trek episode “City on the Edge of Forever”. Ellison is all pissed off over the way the script was handled and many changes to his work.

Well, the only thing better than a good story is a good story about a feud!

I went on-line to check it out. Harlan has a book about it, but no real insight (that I could find) about what he is so worked up about or what kind of changes were made to his story.

So, Trek fans, do enlighten me, please! What was changed, and why is Ellison so pissed? How would it have been different? It wasn’t that bad (or that good for that matter. Its just TV fer cryin’ out loud!).


He’s dead, Jim? Is that all you can say? Some doctor you are!

Actually, I’ve never really heard Ellison’s side of the argument, so recognize that everything I’m saying here comes from the Roddenberry camp (and it’s been awhile, and my memory isn’t that good). So take it for what it’s worth.

Ellison admires Star Trek as not bad for TV sci-fi
Ellison agrees to write a script
Script is wildly different from Roddenberry’s vision of Star Trek and really expensive to produce
Roddenberry substantially rewrites script
Ellison not happy
Writer’s Guild gives Ellison screen credit for the script
Ellison holds a grudge

I think Roddenberry’s main problem, aside from the cost, was that the actions of Kirk and the rest of the crew were so drastically out of character (I think there was a mutiny in the storyline) that it simply wouldn’t have been the same show. So it had to be changed. I don’t remember whether Ellsion was given the chance to make his own changes, or whether he would have come up with changes acceptable to Roddenberry.

Stripped to the basics, it’s simply a case of writer vs. producer. Only in this case the writer was legendary and the producer was still in his first season, just trying to get episodes produced.

There was also the implied drug abuse story line. In the show, Bones accidentally zaps himself with a hypospray, while the original script, IIRC, had him being secretly hooked on the drug.

Star Trek Memories contains another point of view of this conflict, through the eyes of William Shatner.

IIRC, Ellison was telling his side of the story at sci-fi conventions.

FWIW, the gossip I’ve heard about this matches up with what kunilou says. The praise given to that particular episode ever after exascerbated the problem, with Ellison given ammunition for his side and Roddenberry fuming that he was not getting the credit he deserved.

These things are messy and there can be no good aftermath.

Bones the Junkie! That would be kinda cool!

“I may be just an old country doctor, but can cook up the best bathtub meth this side of Orion’s belt!” :smiley:


Never kiss an animal that can lick its own butt.

Other than the aforementioned “drug abuse” bit (which, to be honest reeks of '60s relevancy…it’s not written well, IMO), there’s also the issue that in Ellison’s version, Kirk is willing to give up the future, his friends and The Enterprise for Edith and Spock has to shove her in front of the truck (not exactly “shove”, but you know what I mean) but in the filmed version, Kirk decides duty comes first and stops Bones from saving Edith.

I dunno. I’m nauseated by the “squeeky clean” future of Star Trek (Next Generation sucked. Who wants to watch white-bread, squeeky-clean plastic people living in a white bread-squeeky-clean plastic society in space?) given my newfound love for Babylon 5 (NO SPOILERS GAWDDAMNIT! :wink: ) but at the same time, Ellison’s preachy junkies-in-space just didn’t work for me.

I think that Kirk is waaaaaaay out of character in Ellison’s version…but he shouldn’t be. I prefer Ellison’s Kirk. But he’s not Roddenberry’s Kirk who’s Duty Uber Alles and is married to the Enterprise. And in fairness, Ellison’s version of the script was far more dramatic.

Other characters were varying degrees out of character. Spock sounded…wrong…somehow.

There’s a book by Ellison that reprints the script and compares the changes, which, except for the change at the end, the junkies and some of the dialogue, were pretty damn minor.

When all’s said and done though, it’s been…what, almost 30 years? 25 years? Ellison really needs to just get the f*ck over it. I’ve heard him shrieking about it as recently as a couple of years ago.

As to “Why Ellison is so pissed”? It’s because, though he’s a hellluva writer, apparently he hasn’t apparently realized that the enfante terrible stchick that was cute and new and fresh when he was in his 20’s isn’t nearly as new and cute and fresh in his…um…60s? 70s?

Fenris

Thanks, all!

Fenris, Wall Street reports him as 69. You nailed it!


Oh man am I in trouble in another thread!

The book is “City On The Edge Of Forever”, by Harlan Ellison, and if you want the WHOLE story – very much from Ellison’s point of view – I’d STRONGLY recommend reading it. It ain’t dull.

The book includes Ellison’s version of the script, which won a Hugo award (although Roddenberry’s version also won a Hugo, in a different category, that same year). Ellison rounds out the book with a great many anecdotes, most of which are pretty vituperative, most of which are aimed straight at Roddenberry, although he apparently wasn’t too fond of William Shatner, either.

Apparently, Roddenberry really got under Ellison’s skin in a variety of ways, but his two main volcanic rants seem to be based around these two points:

  1. Roddenberry and Ellison agreed that Ellison would write the script, and that all rewrite work would be done by Ellison. A great many changes were made during the process, and Ellison continued to rework the script to suit Roddenberry, even after the budget ran out of money to pay Ellison for his continued work. Finally, Roddenberry took the script and ostensibly rewrote it himself, in violation of his agreement with Ellison (although we find out in the book that Roddenberry actually handed it over to D.C. Fontana to do the actual rewriting).

Ellison was very upset by this. He was also upset by the fact that many of the changes that were made were demanded by Roddenberry – and then yanked from the completed version (most notably, a scene where instead of simply being gone, the Enterprise is a pirate ship, in the new reality created by the crewman jumping through the time portal).

  1. One of the elements in the original script involved a criminal Enterprise crewman, who is making money on the side selling a kind of addictive drug to his shipmates. When Captain Kirk finds out, he orders the arrest of the crewman, who flees, beaming down to the planet, and ultimately is the guy who leaps through the Guardian Of Forever, and screws up the timestream of the universe (instead of Dr. McCoy, as in the final teleplay).

Roddenberry didn’t like this. He didn’t want any Enterprise crewmen to be doing naughty things. This was one of the reasons for all the rewrites, which ultimately resulted in Dr. McCoy (rather stupidly) accidentally injecting himself with a hallucinogen that drives him berserk and makes HIM leap through the Guardian (although you’ll notice he’s still together enough to operate a Transporter, a trick I sure wouldn’t wanna try if I was on drugs).

Anyway, this wouldn’t have been any big deal, but in some convention appearances, Roddenberry began … um… creating a legend, so to speak.

When asked about Harlan Ellison, and the script, and rumors of trouble, and why Ellison never wrote any other episodes, Roddenberry remarked that Ellison was a rather temperamental chap, hard to work with, and who did not wish to stick within established Trek canon. “He had Scotty dealing drugs!”

Well, apparently, Scotty was never the drug dealer, in ANY of the drafts. It was another anonymous red-shirt crew guy.

Finally, after hearing this story one time too often, Ellison went and confronted Roddenberry, who apologized, and remarked that he certainly must have misremembered things, happened a long time ago, and all that, and so sorry, won’t happen again.

Unfortunately, it DID happen again, numerous times, and at least once in print. Apparently, Roddenberry liked the story well enough that he just kept telling it whenever anyone asked about Ellison, or the episode, along with a song and dance that made Ellison seem like a frothing, rabid prima-donna who just couldn’t write for television without being an asshole.

Ellison may or may not be an asshole… never met the guy myself… but in his book, he goes above and beyond to cite, provide written evidence, prove, and otherwise exonerate himself on all these charges, and several others. Even to the point of including photos of documents.

I have presented only the tip of the iceberg; there’s considerably more. Anyone really interested in this particular wild-assed chunk of Trek controversy really should go out and get the book.

Just wanted to second Wang-Ka’s recommendation there. Ellison’s book is a must-read for even casual Trekkies/Trekkers/Trek-kin.

Dunno if I’d recommend it for anyone who’s not a fan of TOS or Ellison, but like I said… it AIN’T dull. And I have to respect someone who goes so violently out of his way to cite, prove, and otherwise cement the truth of his own statements… even if he’s rankin’ someone else to the dogs and back while he does it…

Semi-hijack: Does anybody have a link to a script/summary of City On The Edge Of Forever? I always see it mentioned as the “Best Star Trek Episode Ever”, but I’ve never had a chance to see it, and I want to know what it’s about.

Ditto the advice on getting the book. I love Ellison’s work, but I must say that as a Star Trek story what was on the screen worked better than Ellison’s script. (For instance, those on the Enterprise held off the pirates, which didn’t really go anywhere. Them being marooned on the dead planet worked better for me.)

Harlan being a bit difficult? Shocking! He was great fun as a frequent guest on Tomorrow with Tom Snyder.

For another view of Ellison’s TV experience, check out the novel “The Starcrossed” by Ben Bova. Bova was technical advisor of the Starlost, a series created by Ellison which got royally screwed over by the producers. I believe his account is called something like “We’re not in Kansas any more.”

Voyager: You nailed the title exactly. The account appears in Ellison’s collection of essays and short stories entitled, “Stalking The Nightmare.”

Since Wang-Ka so eloquently beat me to the punch (WHY – in these posts where I have some expertise and books to back up my facts – I’m NEVER on the internet?) I need only add that “City On The Edge Of Forever” has some really terrific perspectives in Star Trek fandom OTHER than Ellison backing him up, including Walter Koenig, Peter David (of the Star Trek comics), DC Fontana ( TOS editor)… and a hilarious anecdote about William Shatner riding his motorcycle over Ellison’s to read a draft of the script – only to be busted COUNTING HIS LINES to make sure he had more than Leonard Nimoy. Ellison could see his LIPS move…

Character references are one thing, certainly… but Ellison went way the hell and gone out of his way to provide documentation, as well.

I seem to remember seeing “The Starcrossed” in his collection, “The Essential Ellison,” as well. Not sure if it was the exact same essay, but Ellison goes on at great length about how the “Starlost” show started out as something pretty neat… and basically got bitched up beyond all recognition…

That’s a damn funny image of Spock!

“Edith … do NOT live long and do NOT prosper.”

Wow, I always thought the whole “McCoy accidently injects himself with a drug and goes berserk” thing seemed tacked on. Now I know why.

Damn. I beat NoClueBoy to a Star Trek thread. That has to be a first.

Since the OP has been answered pretty much, I’ll just chime in and say that while I love Roddenberry for creating the Star Trek universe that I love so much, he seemed like someone that wasn’t very easy to get along with, much like Ellison. This whole feud probably never would have happened if either man had been a little less self-righteous.

Roddenberry was a man who was going to do things his way or no way at all. Ellison is a self-righteous jerk. I suppose they were to much alike to get along.

Great thread. I was deeply immersed in this stuff 30 years ago. Conventions, books, the whole schmeg.

One small comment. Something kunilu said at the end of his/her post. It almost sounds as though Roddenberry was at the end of his first year as a Producer. That is far from the truth, Roddenberry was already a highly seasoned Producer and Writer of television when Star Trek was bought by N.B.C. It’s true that the show was still feeling growing pains, while Ellison was at the peak of his career.

Not trying to be too persnickety, it just made it sound as though Roddenberry was a piker that first year. ( Pun intended :smiley: )

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