That can build up over time. The problem with this jackass isn’t the few actual cost saving measures, he’s another power hungry sheriff taking advantage of the situation for his own personal enrichment and to drive a political agenda.
Well, I don’t know why she’d lie about it. She was embarrassed when I asked how she’d managed to lose some weight (she’s always been pretty attractive but had gained a little weight the last few years) and finally sputtered out that she lost it during a month of nights in Joe’s tents. And I know damn well she certainly didn’t want to drive four blocks through quiet neighborhood streets after one small glass of wine with dinner.
So I don’t know, maybe her offense included something she didn’t tell me about. But she’s damn sure terrified of getting caught driving with alcohol in her system now.
He might. Who knows? But I think in a case where there’s no provable answer the sensible thing to do is rely on what common sense would tell you, and I think what common sense would tell you is that most people would want to avoid getting into a situation where they’re going to have to sit and sleep in hot tents while wearing pink underwear and eating baloney sandwiches or whatever twice a day.
I know that his department has been accused of many civil rights infractions. I also know that these same things go on in other prisons and never see the light of day. It’s impossible to properly handle every single alleged or actual crime that occurs in a huge prison or jail setting like the one Arpaio is in charge of. The reason he comes in for so much scrutiny and legal action is because of politics. Anywhere else and all these complaints and their outcome would be considered SOP.
In some ways yes, in other ways no. I’m constantly astounded by the effectiveness of political correctness and how terrified people seem to be of being called names by the offenderatti. Neither Congress or any president nor the Supreme Court has had a greater affect on American life the last fifty years as has political correctness, and it’s all based on people’s aversion to being humiliated, intimidated and cast as social pariahs. Being forced to wear pink underwear (and forced to watch the Disney channel, listen to Frank Sinatra, and be deprived of pornography and weightlifting equipment, apparently) would seem to have a similar effect, IMHO.
Again, we don’t know. And it’s undeniable that jury awards these days are far out of line with reason. And not only in the case of Arpaio’s jail but in general. People who most likely wouldn’t earn a million dollars in their entire lives are awarded tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in wrongful damage suits and so on. I think the fact that Arpaio keeps getting elected demonstrates that the people of Maricopa County are pleased with the job he’s been doing.
The definition of asshole these days is often one I disagree with. I suspect that Sheriff Joe would be absolutely delighted if suddenly no crime ever occurred in his jurisdiction and there was no need ever of a pair of pink underwear. But as long as it does, he’s determined to make the consequences as unpleasant as possible and I happen to think that’s a reasonable position to take. My only regret is that every prison and jail isn’t run that way. Common sense tells me we’d have far fewer miscreants if people went through their lives knowing that if they break the law it’ll be tents, pink underwear, baloney sandwiches, Frank Sinatra music and the Disney channel for them.
Oh, yeah, and no porn and no weights! (Oh, the humanity! :rolleyes:)
Just pointing out that the OP started her first ever Pit thread yesterday about something stupid someone posted on Facebook. She opens another today about something stupid that someone posted on Facebook. Not a good Pit track record so far. How about we just stipulate that people post stupid shit on Facebook and move on?
It is deniable because it is not true. It is just one more bit of hype from the talking heads of the Far Right (e.g., Limbaugh), and Faux News.
While it has happened on one or two occasions, (just as it has happened that people have suffered or lost money and failed to gain recovery through the courts), it is simply false to claim that “jury awards these days are far out of line with reason” (unless one’s “reason” is that large corporations and rich people should be able to harm people with impunity*).
*See, for example, the Johnstown Flood.
I never said she lied.
I said that my friend had the same reaction to a DUI, without the ridiculous level of punishment.
Ergo, Arpaio’s methods are no more effective than more normal methods.
I can guarantee you that my friend - an intelligent (not that yours isn’t), willful, headstrong woman if ever there was one - would not begin to have been so fearful of getting a DUI if a fine and driving school had been her punishment. Annoyance and mirthful derision would have been a more likely result. She was thoroughly traumatized by her Arpaio jail experience, believe me.
Starving Artist, you seem to have lost the ability to be consistent. Your entire schtick is that you think everyone ought to be this nice and civil as they were back in ye olden days. Now you’re saying that someone that we, the horribly mean people of the Internet, think is an asshole, is really not that bad a guy?
He’s treating people who are in prison as if they aren’t people. How can you be for that? Are people right when they say that what you really liked about the fifties was that some people were treated nicely, and the rest were completely discarded?
EDIT: WTF? You even admit that you enjoy the fact that this “headstrong woman” was “traumatized.” Not that she learned a lesson. No, you specifically chose to use the same term people would use for a war veteran, and you’re happy about it. Fuck you.
Oh, please. Now you’re just being silly. I’m not even going to bother answering that.
Have you lost your mind? I didn’t say I was happy about it, I used it as an illustration of how Arpaio’s methods had the desired result in at least the one case I’m aware of.
Further, I used a term that is perfectly descriptive and accurate and which has been around and in wide use all my life.
And what the hell does your ridiculous offense regarding “traumatized” and war veterans have to do with it anyway?
I’m truly beginning to question your sanity.
You’ve been here long enough to know that BigT should be ignored.
Your friend was lying to you, or leaving out something like “oh, and there was a baggie of cocaine on the passenger seat,” or “oh, and I got caught because I ran over an old lady.” Nobody with the money to pay a lawyer gets a custodial sentence for a first DUI.
Dude, it’s not politics. Do you think Arpaio is the only crazy right-winger running a jail?
You’re right. Don’t know what I was thinking. 
Don’t think she was lying. Might have left something out though. She said between the lawyer and other costs she was out $15,000. I think the lawyer was $8,000. Whatever it was wasn’t all that serious. Again, she only did 30 days and could leave to go to work each day.
He’s certainly the most famous…and the most aggressive in making life unpleasant for the bad guys. And if there’s one thing that gets lefties all het up, it’s getting tough with the bad guys. Plus there’s the well known Arizona/Hispanic/illegal-immigrant-problem-so Arpaio-must-be-a-racist thing. So it’s like a trifecta of libbie piss-off points and so the sort of unavoidable injustices that occur in every jail and prison get blown out of proportion and blamed on the evils of poor old Joe.
Do you gargle with bullshit?
You may have found a way to bottle your essence but that doesn’t mean I’m buying, dear. 
He’s the most famous because he’s a tireless self-promoter. He wrote a book, makes the rounds of right-wing radios, and created the pink underwear program just to get himself more column inches.
You know who else got a lot of media attention because he asked for it? Mitt Romney. It wasn’t a liberal media conspiracy.
Oooh, that was both not entirely pathetic and not days later after saying that you simply *must *log off and attend to other things. New meds?
Singapore, which has both harsh prisons (with caning) as well as a very well developed rehabilitation programme has low( relatively)recidivism rates.
And they say Cenegenics is bullshit! 
Nailed it. There’s nothing I personally hate more than the thought of punishment for criminals. Fling the jail doors open wide, I say. Rape my wife… please!
I’m honestly curious: do you act out these moronic scenarios using your shoebox of leftist action figures, or is it all in your head?