Gee, and all these years I thought it was just candy. I never knew I was witnessing the purity of Jesus, our Lord and Savior, everytime I slurped on one of those things. Is there a story about bon-bons, too?
Gibson’s book is essentially a 186 page pamphlet. It’s largely anecdotal, offering almost no cites to back up anything. No footnotes, no endnotes, and most irritatingly, he makes reference to lawsuits without citing the case number or even the venue. Good luck with your fact checking.
Regarding the red and green issue:
Here’s the 169 page complaint alleging the above, brought against the Plano School District by Jonathan Morgan, et al:
Wow. Everything **is **big in Texas!
Remind me again which color Jesus was: red or green?
Also, if you suck on one end repeatedly, and your eye offends you, you can use it to cast it out.
Yanno, I’m sitting here surrounded by irony.
I am a product of the PISD (I went to Vines High School and Plano Senior High School), and in the mid-80s was forced to go past a rather large Christmas display that the physical education teachers put up in the hallway leading to the girls’ locker room that said “Jesus is the Reason for the Season”. I’ve been further traumatized :rolleyes: by flyers on school walls advertising the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and Young Life, both overtly religious organizations. I’ve also been marked down for not capitalizing pronouns referring to Jesus because you capitalize pronouns pertaining to the Deity.
The Morgans, et al., should reimburse the PISD for every penny they stole from the district to fight this horseshit. They should then be forced to visit a country where Christians really are persecuted. Both things outta give them some perspective.
Robin
Which you express, of course, by engaging in even greater bullshit behavior and hate mongering.
I would also point out that ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ does not exist except as a human construct; therefore, what is ‘right’ vs. what is ‘wrong’ depends upon one’s point of view. There are many who feel those of your ilk are every bit as wrong as you feel that they are. Yet it is the left, with high dudgeon born of self-righteousness and self-perceived moral (and, usually, intellectual) superiority, that proves itself more than willing to engage in the very bigotry, censoriousness, repression, and hatred that they decry in the other side.
So, what would you say is the left’s problem with the right? Is it hate? Repression? Censoriousness? Bigotry?; things that the left has allegedly reviled about the right for decades, or is it simply the fact that these qualities which you profess to revile are aimed the wrong way?
If the latter, how about ponying up and knocking off all the hypocritical bullshit about how ‘enlightened’ and ‘tolerant’ you are and just say, “You fuckers are full of shit; it shouldn’t be the way you say, it should be this way instead”…and then say why, instead of feigning tolerance and moral superiority while at the same time saying, ‘All you fuckers on the wrong side - yes, even those of you who may not actually be guilty of the behavior I’m painting with my broad brush - should go to hell’.
And btw, Larry, it isn’t a question of whether one takes the concept of hell literally or not (and as for myself, I haven’t the foggiest idea)…it’s the simple fact that you feel entitled to engage in such hypocritical condemnation of an entire group of people when I know damn well you’d be expressing intense moral outrage to hear the same directed at you.
It’s not a new story. Read more here.
Oh, then allow me: they should all go straight to hell and take their evil materialistic “holiday” with them–both devices of their own making. War on Christmas? Where do I sign up? Who cares if it’s real or a myth? If it pisses the right-wingers off, I’m all for it!!
I’m sure you are…but as I’ve said somewhere around here before, I’m having some problems with my conmputer: the monitor only functions for a couple of hours and then won’t come back on for nine or ten hours more, and my keyboard is hosed also, which means a great deal of editing is required for everything I post. I have to be judicious in how I spend my time when I’m able to get online, and splittinmg hairs with you is fairly low on my list of priorities. Perhaps once I get a new computer I can get back to being my verbose old self, but for now that’s just the way it is.
Regards,
SA
:: sigh ::
Remember our previous discussions about the word “some”?
I"m truly disappointed in you, SA. Also tired of being insulted by your broad-brush polemics. Yeh, yeh, I know – I’m not like THEM, you didn’t mean me when you spoke of THEM, yadda yadda yadda.
Guess what? I AM one of THEM. When you denigrate THEM you denigrate ME. Your “one of my best Doper friends is liberal” schtick is played out. Please don’t insult my intelligence by trotting it out again.
The physical threats must be Republican talking points. Christopher Hitchens had the same experience on Scarborough Country
See what I mean?
(And thanks to Sequent for elucidating my point so much better than I ever could.)
Indeed I do. Which is why I said ‘from one on the open-minded, toleranmt left’.
But frankly, I’m getting tired myself of the double-standard you seem to be employing when it cones to my posts vs. those on your own side. Posters around here make blanket condenmnations of the right all the time with absolutely no censure from you.
You know how I regard you. You are an extremely intelligent woman, and I’m surprised you seem to have such little facility for taking my words as I intend them without taking them personally. I see things all the time that you post - usually in a hunmorous vein - which is insultinmg to my side, but I don’t take them
personally. I don’t understand why the same can’t be the case with you.
And as I just said above, until I get a new conmputer, I’m having to make the most of what time I’m able to be online. There simply isn’t enough time to try to couch my thoughts in more delicate terms.
Dude… he wasn’t expressing his own heartfelt convictions, he was making a joke!
And good job on fighting one broad-brush generalization by making another broad-brush generalization. I don’t have anything against Hentor, but I tend to not pay him a lot of attention because he makes these sorts of meaningless, sweeping statements. Similarly, I don’t pay much heed to what you say, because you always do the same thing. You seem like a nice enough guy, but when it comes to politics, you’re pretty much useless. Not because we disagree, but because everything to you is “left v. right.”
Oh, understood. I was just responding to a comment that called all of Fox nuts, and thought that I would respond; it was a bit like throwing the baby out with the bath water. One small baby, perhaps, probably destined for cleaner bathtubs, but nevertheless…
Have you ever wondered why that is, Miller?
If you were to spend two or three weeks ( 
) and go back and read my posts when I first joined here, you would see a decidedly different tone. I spent a great deal of time constructinmg posts that I hoped would bve reasonable and persuasive, and respectful as well. Needless to say I was almost invariably engulfed in a quagmire of mindless vituperation anyway, anmd whatever points I hoped to make soon became lost in a swirl of false attributions, semantic game-playing and hair-splitting. So now I’m afraid my posting style has become pretty much one of ‘when in Rome’. I regret that this has become the case, but frankly there isn’t much to be gained by dressing in a tuxedo in order to wallow in a mud pit.
But be that as it may, just what is wrong with my postings to this thread?
Does the left, generally speaking, not lay claim to being the party and philosophy of tolerance, ‘evolvement’, and high-minded moral superiority? And does it not show itself to be highly censorious and repressive and hateful when it cones to issues it disapproves of?
And therefore, is it wrong to perceive this as hypocracy?
I’ve seen little attempt to address this issue in this thread, and what attempt has been made has pretty much been that of: “Yeah…so what? Of course we’re intolerant of the shit the other side believes!”
So where have I gone wrong? In professing there to be a ‘right’ and a ‘left’?
C’mon, Miller, you know better than that.
We all know here what is generally regarded as being the left and the right. The fact that every single leftie or every single rightie doesn’t hold to the generally recognized POV of the left or right in no way obviates the use of those widely accepted terms…except by those who would seek to use such obviation to avoid addressing the real issues.
It really wasn’t clear that the “intense moral outrage” in “the Christian Right should go to hell” was intended to mock the intense moral outrage of John Gibson? Even after it was spelled out so carefully?
Or do you consider that the opinion that the Christian Right (carefully and narrowly defined) should “piss up a rope” to be intense moral outrage?
Bear in mind that I’m most definitely not extending that sentiment the majority of religious people who are decent, compassionate, and fine folk. This set includes my entire family and a good many of my friends.
The “Religious Right” is a political concept. They are an atavistic group of people who attempt to parlay a dubious moral authority into political power. They have far more in common with the pharisees than the apostles.
How comes it that a group that calls itself “The Christian Coalition” supports the nice-sounding “Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act,” intended to allow politicking and endorsement of election candidates from the pulpit? That’s a big “piss up a rope!” to a guy I admire, as it happens.
The arsehole that’s being pitted here is making a tidy sum out of bearing false witness and screaming blue murder when challenged on it. Not Christian. Cheap, reprehensible politics. He’s lying his hair off.
Would I be morally outraged if someone said whatever amorphous group of folk I belong to should piss up a rope or go to hell? Probably, if I was a prick like John Gibson. I would certainly expect it, if I made it my life’s work to make everyone on the planet conform to some narrow and inflexible political philosophy.
I mean, really: Let’s say I was Wiccan, and part of an organization that was dedicated to imposing Wiccan values on national politics. Imagine some parents who were also part of the World Wiccan Foundation sent their kid to a school Halloween Party with treats for the other kids that included propaganda about how Samhain is the real reason we were having a party, and included encouragements to contact their dead relatives, and that the orange pumpkins and leaves represented the fire of the spirit world. Or a Spring Vacation party where he brought little phalluses and messages about how the maypole, rabbits, and eggs were fertility symbols and our parents should be fucking extra hard this spring to make sure the household was fertile and successful. Did you know everything is Pink at Ishtar’s festival because it symbolizes genitals engorged with blood? Say the school was noncommital when asked which orange or pink symbols little Sammy could at least bring. Imagine when the school tried to keep this indoctrination away from your kids, they threw a hissy fit and launched a huge lawsuit, which alleged (in very small part) that the school banned orange in the fall or pink in the spring. Now imagine I wrote a book called The War on Wicca that asserted that certain extremists were so bent on persecuting my coreligionists that they went so far as to BAN THE COLOURS ORANGE AND PINK! Further imagine that I have my own show on an international cable news network, and when I am using my bully pulpit to push The War on Wicca, a guest has the temerity to say that my book is dishonest. Imagine I blow a gasket, repeatedly shout him down as a “liar,” and make some vaguely threatening remarks.
Imagine that, in these circumstances, it’s just possible that everyone would be better off if I and my World Wiccan Foundation fucked right off.
Oh, please. I’ve defended Bricker from a baseless accusation by ElvisL1ves, digging up the post cites to prove that Bricker hadn’t said the shit attributed to him. I’ve spoken against other idiocies of the left, whether in real life or here, more than once. If you missed it here, too bad.
On preview, what Larry Mudd said. If you can read that and still accuse him of mindless right-bashing, I give up.
A couple of things: First, your comment targeted the “Christian Right” - not the The Christian Coalition, which would be more understandable in terms political disdain. Second, I’ve seen so many comments like yours on these boards that it’s easy to take at face value that such a sentiment is heart-felt.
My primary purpose in attacking your post was to highlight the hypocracy that I see so often when it comes to he left, and how many of those on the left - so many, in fact, that it seems to be a hallmark of liberalism itself - engage not only in the same type of behavior that they condem on the other side, but even moreso as a result of the disgust, outrage, and intolerance they are prone to feel as a result of their own perceived moral superiority.
Having said that, thank you for your post. I appreciate both the light it cast on what you were saying and the fact that you took the time and effort to post it.