I think McCain is insane. Really.
Honestly, I don’t care if he believes it or not. Either he’s blatantly kissing ass to get votes or he’s an idiot who believes it and for me either one is reason enough for me to not vote for him. The intelligent design issue was also enough for me to hold my nose and vote for Granholm over DeVos.
John Mace, McCain isn’t going to go in there and shoot them and their crackpottery down. Best case scenario is that he simply avoids mentioning it.
Well, I have something more direct than that to help your CFR respect fade faster.
I’m not Dio, but I was rooting for him to sign on as Kerry’s veep candidate in 2004.
And within a couple of weeks of his (allegedly) declining Kerry’s (alleged) offer, McCain kissed up to Bush, and has been nearly indistinguishable from a wingnut Kool-Aid drinker ever since.
This is just one more data point. I mean, do you expect him to be any more critical of his hosts in this talk than he was of Falwell when he spoke at Liberty U.'s graduation last spring?
Unfortunately, it hasn’t crashed and burned in the mainstream media. References to McCain as a ‘maverick’ abound there. For instance, here’s MSNBC just a few days ago:
A Google News search turns up lots more. And Media Matters has collected a bunch of them here, with correspondents for the Washington Post, CNN, the Wall Street Journal, etc. recently calling McCain a maverick.
Damn, ID is a deal breaker for me. Why McCain, Why?
This stinks to their perverted non-enlightened ignorant heaven.
Why is Obama sounding better daily? I am back to hoping Rudy can somehow take the Rep Nom. I still do not believe he can.
Jim
Considering Rudy’s run to the right, he would have given that keynote address if he had the chance.
First, with regard to what McCain believes from your cite,
By the way, creationists don’t believe the world was created in seven days…so much for what McCain knows about creation.
Now that we know where McCain stands on evolution, what is the problem with him currying support from creationists? Why should this block of voters be ignored ?
It is scary the way the more moderate candidates kowtow to the Religious Right. This might be the only time I have ever hoped a candidate I liked is just giving lip service. However, even if true, it still diminishes both of them. McCain looked a lot better in 2000 than he does right today.
Jim
:rolleyes:
Let’s all remember this blatant pandering when people say (and continue to say) that the RR doesn’t have a stranglehold on the GOP’s scrotum.
-Joe
OK, let’s cross him off the list.
McCain is a whore. If he had stuck to his principles I could consider voting for him. But he sold out on the torture issue, letting it get watered down and then neutered by Bush’s signing statement so to be meaningless. He has done nothing but suck up to Bush for the past 3-4 years after showing some independence earlier. He stuck a knife in his supposed friend John Kerry’s back regarding Kerry’s feeble attempt at humor. Anyone with two brain cells knew that Kerry did not mean to insult the troops, but instead of sticking up for a friend that he knew meant no harm, he decided to score the easy political points and join the pile-on. John McCain stands firmly for only one thing- his own ambition.
And considering who he’ll be playing to, there’s no chance of that scenario playing out at all. The Discovery Institute will make damned sure of that.
And inre The Flying Dutchman’s post of what McCain has said on the record about his take on evolution v creationism, I’ve tightened up the quote:
Bolding, of course, mine. Something that really bugs the hell out of me are those who will kiss ass in a roundabout fashion and refuse to say that Creationism is most assuredly not science. Damnit, man, there is no way in hell that it should be taught in a science class. Comparative religions class? Hokay. Although even at that, it would only be touched on tangentially at best. But it’s not science.
This is what McCain says when asked about ID:
He thinks ID should be taught in school. He thinks it’s a scientific “point of view.” He thinks that scientists think it belongs in science. He appears to think that evolution is a “belief.”
No way he’s going to tell these morons that ID isn’t science and has no business being taught as such in school. He’s going to tell them that non-science should be taught as science, and that makes him an asswipe regardless of what he actually believes.
BTW, the fact that he “respects” YEC also makes him an asswipe.
Actually, he said he respects the people (“those who think the world was created in seven days”) who believe in YEC. That may make no difference to you, but still…
He respects morons whose votes he wants? Cool. If only I was American and able to vote for him. But that would be moronic. Isn’t there any level of pandering politicians won’t stoop?
That’s like saying he believes the earth is round but respects those who think it’s flat. It’s just not a position deserving of respect.
Once again, he’s not respecting the position, but the people who hold the position. I don’t think that even you would say that all those flat earth people deserve zero respect just for one misquided view that they hold. Um, would you?
No, there isn’t. They will stoop to whatever level they believe to be politically expedient.
But with respect to the issue of disrespect, suppose a person believes the earth is flat, but is nevertheless kind, generous, and charitable in every way. I cannot imagine disrespecting them as people just because they are what you call morons. Knowledge is not necessarily always the most important aspect of humanity.
Flat earthism is harmless. Young Earth creationism is not. It is a marker for a host of other stupid bigoted beliefs that impact on the rest of us on a daily basis. Such people should be isolated from the body politic and left to crawl back under whatever ignorant rock that was sheltering them before the Republicans made them their ‘base’. Not pandered to.
There’s an issue of context, though. I don’t believe he’s saying he respects them for other qualities, I think he’s implying that the YEC position is, in itself “respectable,” even though it’s not his own.
In answer to your larger question. I can like people with nutty or ignorant views and even admire or respect unrelated qualities about them. I confess that it’s hard for me to respect them intellectually, though.