I’ll bet you don’t have any kids.
Can I have a piece of that bet? 
John McCain has never been principled. This is a guy who helped Charles Keating steal people’s life savings.
I almost never bet for money, and judging from your response, its a good decision.
Wise decision. I guess Tom’s smiley gave it away. For the record, I have two children. 
It’s funny that it seems like so many conservatives assume that libs will automatically support HRC, but I don’t think real leftie loosies are all that excited by her. She wouldn’t be my first choice in the field either. I’m kind of smitten with Obama at the moment (I think he might actually have a moral center) and am intrigued by Richardson as well. I would probably settle for Hillary if she was up against McCain or Romney (or God forbid, Brownback), but if she was against Giuliani, I’m not so sure I wouldn’t cross over. I think Democrats and liberals in general have mire ambivilent feelings about HRC than the right (and the media) seems to realize.
Bill was no liberal either, but he had genuine compassion and was competent. His eight years of peace and prosperity look awfully good right now. Hillary spent far too much time in bed with the hawks. DINO maybe, but I prefer the term Vichy Dem.
More evidence of his essential political cowardice:
Uh huh. John, John, John, the time for this message was years ago. Now you’re just pissing on the headstone.
Which, by the way, you went out of your way to polish a few months ago:
I know the average American voter has the attention span of a ferret, but you have to wonder how much more of this it will take before people start to notice.
I’d run Zell. Out of town. On a rail. With tar. And feathers.
No rope?
This does not have the same weight as his odd twirling on Iraq. McCain has been pretty consistent on his opposition to the Roe v. Wade decision and most of the claims for him waffling are actually statments he has made over many years regarding the specifics of how to reverse it. He has been moderately opposed to a Constitutional Amendment to reverse it (which is where a lot of quotes originate) and he has varied a bit regarding whether the Supreme Court should reverse themselves (or whether the Supreme Court should be packed to get a reversal) in ways that actually appear that he is thinking about the issue and not simply waffling.
I have never been a fan of McCain, but this particular claim involves quote mining to present him as more of a flip-flopper than he has actually been.
So, did “ThinkProgress” pull a fast one on this? I went looking to find the text of McCain’s speech, and it turns out that the whole thing was an event put on by The World Affairs Council of Seatle and the CityClub of Seattle. TDI was a “co-presenter” at the event, but McCain’s speech was about foreign policy and the issue of ID never even came up. Link to ABC News article.
I can’t see how ThinkProgress’s summary is accurate:
I think their summary over-focuses on the connection between McCain’s speech and the DI, but I don’t think they actually lied about it. After all, the DI used their co-sponsorship of the speech for their own political hay-making, as ThinkProgress’s link makes clear:
So yeah, McCain was indeed a “keynote speaker” for this “advocacy group”, as well as for the other eight co-sponsors. The fact that his talk wasn’t about creationism is important as an indication of his own views and priorities, but it doesn’t change the fact that he agreed to be the guest of a group that advocates teaching creationism in science classes. If you don’t want to be associated with somebody, you shouldn’t voluntarily associate yourself with them. If you do, it’s natural for people to assume that you approve of them, or at least are willing to stifle your disapproval in order to take advantage of their support.
The title of Dio’s OP was slightly inaccurate and consequently somewhat misleading, though. The original ThinkProgress headline was “McCain To Deliver Keynote Speech For Creationists”, not “for Creationism”.
How do you get “co-sponsor” from “co-presenter”? Here’s a link to the (cached) website of The City Club of Seattle. Note the “sponsors” (Boeing, Microsoft, and Primera) and then the “co-presenters”, of which TDI is one. I don’t believe it’s accurate to say that McCain was presenting “for” TDI.
I never claimed ThinkProgress “lied”, btw, but the article is pretty darn misleading, to say the least. And it appears that many people swallowed it without question.
Like this one, from back in the medieval days of 1999? :dubious:
True, he did say a few days later that what he meant was exactly the opposite of what he said.
“Thinking about the issue” in terms of how to best position himself politically on it, that is. There’s no evidence of anything deeper.
He is hidden in the fog of politics. The closer a pol gets to being president the more they try to hide. They all try to become all things to all power groups and then get lost. I do not know if it is the need for huge money but all serious contenders seem to go through it.
They pander to money and polls.