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True or not, this is useless information. The ability to falsify and misattribute information is more powerful and accessible than ever. There are more evil, black-hearted actors out there than there ever have been. Location spoofing is trolling 101; I’d have done it myself if I’d thought of it.

I just checked out the video of the FOX News segment where he went to whine about the unfairness of it all, and I’m sure glad I did. It is is just so much fun, to watch the three hosts kind of gingerly dance around the subtext of their questioning, which is essentially “wow, Donald, you really screwed the pooch: what were you thinking, and what are you going to do to get your shit together for the next one?”

And Trump does realize that’s what they’re really getting at, so as per usual he gets defensive and insists that you can’t just shoehorn another topic in if it’s not in the question (presumably leading Kellyanne Conway to shake her head, like “Oh, Donald, you poor naive soul”).

It’s hilarious that he thinks the best metric of how well he did is the “polls” (as in, completely unscientific, unweighted deals that anyone can vote in as many times as they like). This makes about as much sense as judging by the size of his rallies, which of course he also does.

I also had to chuckle at how he blatantly flirted with Ainsley Earnhardt, saying he was reluctant to mention that the lawsuit was actually more than forty years ago, because he didn’t want Ainsley to say “whoa, I didn’t know Donald was that old!”. :rolleyes:

Because it came across not as a politician struggling to spout his talking points, and doing so at inappropriate moments or repetitively (cf. Sarah Palin or Marco Rubio), but just someone “winging it”.

Podhoretz says that showed contempt for the audience. Like a showperson or athlete putting in a sloppy, telephoned-in performance. But really, he feeds off the screaming cheering crowd that’s rooting for him. Take that away and what made for quick scores and early leads facing the primary platoon is not as impressive. * Even if he prepared, but badly, it would look the same. *

So far his claim that all the polls put him winning is partly bravado and partly a strategy to reassure the Trumpetistas out there, who WILL make themselves believe it is so if coming from him.But someone as committed to avoiding the “loser” label can be dangerous if he feels cornered…

Oh was that the point? I thought the point was to vastly overstate Germany’s use of solar power.

I cannot believe you put Nancy Pelosi in the same company as Bush much less Carson, Trump, Palin and Bachmann. Bad adaher, bad.

I agree with this.

The only thing I disagree with is the general media-driven narrative that there were no expectations for Trump because I think there were at least some. I obviously can’t get into the minds of people who are undecided and leaning Trump but not committed to him on the one hand, or leaning Hillary but not committed to her on the other.

But I’ll tell you what I was genuinely worried about. I thought for sure that Trump would fire away on things like Bengazi and score some attacks with some major league harangues. I was afraid he’s say something like “Four of our best Americans, there serving our country, and you let 'em die - and then you lied about it to cover your ass.” And I even half-way expected him to utter the mild profanity to boot. I thought he was going to go on about the uptick in crime, talk about illegal aliens committing murders. There was some raw meat for him to toss at the crowd and chew on, and it just seemed like Hillary was so effective early on at giving him some sharp elbows and then forcing him to respond. It’s almost like whatever game plan he had, he forgot about it and spent time defending himself, hence his frustration with Holt, whom I guess let Trump down in his eyes.

My fear was a blistering 15-25 second uninterrupted torrent of nationalistic rhetoric that would on the one hand fire up ordinary Joes and Janes yet do so in a way that wasn’t patently anti-Muslim or anti-Hispanic. Maybe he was told ‘Don’t go there’ Who knows. But I think Trump did have expectations. Hell even those of us who can’t stand him expected to be entertained, but I don’t think we were. Hillary entertained us more by exposing him and wearing a smug grin the entire time.

The point I also think is that we in the US can do much better, but we are not because we need to have even better policies to accelerate the changes that are needed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/02/08/germany-has-five-times-as-much-solar-power-as-the-u-s-despite-alaska-levels-of-sun/

I think this is dead-on balls accurate. The debate was bad enough, but as we know with the Donald, he tends to throw gasoline on the dumpster fire. I was wondering what the post-debate news cycle was going to be like and I think we’ve got our answer: just as bad, if not even worse, for Trump. I would not be surprised to see an Obama-esque 4-6 point poll drop in the next few days.

But there’s a major difference between Obama’s 2012 drop and a possible drop for Trump: Obama was a stronger candidate entering the race, and an incumbent that America had grown accustomed to, warts and all. Trump, on the other hand, has been lucky to crack 45 percent in the polls, and he’ll be lucky to be over 40 by week’s end. The debate quite possibly just hit the reset button on whatever momentum he had, and he’s running out of time. People are even voting now.

Will numbers somewhat rebound? Yeah, if Trump drops by 4-6 points then the residual will be 2-3 posts lost. But the outcome is different for someone who’s been trailing 2-4 points as opposed to someone who’s been winning by 2-4 points the entire time.

That was hubris on his part. Obama is a great speaker, vs a robot, he thought he had it in the bag. But Romney was no fool, nosiree. Prep will win over oratory.

Yeah, you said it. There’s NO WAY solar or wind or geothermal power will ever be anything but some hippie’s pipe dream.

We may as well just resign ourselves to digging every particle of oil and coal out of the ground and burning it, after which we should all lay down and die.

Hey, now! You know that DJT knows that not all crime is committed by blacks; there’s Latinos and Mooslims, too.

Especially if states like Oklahoma have their way, making it prohibitively expensive.

I didn’t say that but your ignorant hippie pipe fueled equating of completely different systems is par for the course in discussions like this.

Could someone give me a still, or very short video clip, that shows Clinton looking “smug”? So many people have made this claim that there must be evidence for it. However, I’m obviously too partisan to see it. I’m genuinely curious, though.

With the usual disclaimers that looks shouldn’t matter but they do, I thought both looked physically well: he was less orange than usual, her eyes were sparkling (kudos to whoever did her make-up). Expression-wise, though, she seemed composed and enjoying the fight; he looked like a grumpy old dyspeptic who wished he could hack up a gob of phlegm, mutter a curse word or two, and shuffle away to watch a TV game show and scratch his balls in peace.

That’s great news for Clinton!

A bit odd, though. Trump didn’t say much of anything about immigration during the debate, so what was the trigger?

Why… just look at any second of video where she’s shown smiling. Smiling, with malice aforethought, while a man is speaking! What kind of uppity bitch thinks she can get away with that?!

No, she never seemed smug to me. Just confident. Of course, confidence in a woman is misread as smug, because apparently we’re just supposed to smile sweetly when spoken to, and otherwise show sincere devotion and obedience toward our superiors.

BTW, whoever called the smile “bemused” – “Bemused” doesn’t mean what you think it does. It means confused. And while it would’ve been understandable to be all “What the fuck is this guy saying?” up there, Clinton never seemed anything but well aware of what was going on beside her: Trump’s credibility (such as it was) caving in like a rotting pumpkin.

His very existence?

Probably triggered by his treatment of Alicia Machado. Miss Piggy, Miss Housekeeping…
Hillary really hammered that one home.

Parental units folllow a lot of Hispanic media, and Jorge Ramos is still big. Suffice to say is that he also has been going on this theme in hispanic media before and after the debate:

There was also El Trompo’s doubling down on insulting the former Miss Universe, Jorge Ramos interviewed her and that was also big on remindinding people what Trump will do, not only to Hispanics, but also to women.