So I recorded it to watch today, since I’m not working, and I figured my son didn’t need to fall asleep to the sound of it. I gave up after 20 minutes. Trump kept interrupting Clinton, and she could only take it for so long before she started giving back, and pretty soon they’re fighting like my parents over whose side of the family’s fault my report card is.
I deleted it.
Now I’m looking for a quick and dirty summary. Was Trump as ill-prepared as was predicted? Did he continue to be rude? Did Clinton sink to his level? (that seemed to be where it was going, which was why I decided not to watch). How well did Clinton do? I had high hopes for her, but it might be like Bobby Fischer trying to play Candyland with a toddler-- so frustrating making, that she couldn’t pull her game together.
The New York Times has a pretty good summary. It seems that most people, Democratic and Republican alike agree that Clinton did better. Trump started out calmly for the first 20 minutes, but Clinton was able to get under his skin as the night went on and he got louder and more incoherent. He basically admitted that he doesn’t pay taxes and that he took advantage of the housing crisis because that was good business. He was questioned repeatedly about the birther conspiracy and rambled without a good defense. After the debate, Trump and his family didn’t look terribly happy and left the stage pretty quickly, while Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea stayed around and shook hands and looked pleased.
Hillary was good and knowledgeable on policy, and slipped in numerous needling attacks on Trump (regarding getting a loan from daddy, his tax returns and why he’s not releasing them, the birther crap, and more). Trump couldn’t resist responding to each and every one of these needling attacks in bizarre and often incoherent detail, and was otherwise obviously unprepared and rambled.
IMO, Hillary won in a blowout. Trump gets an F and Hillary gets a B+/A-.
Hillary was good but not perfect and showed herself to be knowledgeable and presidential. Trump was like a kid that doesn’t know enough to blow his nose but instead sucks his snot in perpetually. He was incoherent, rude, and not at all presidential.
I expect a highlights reel on youtube soon, if not already. I shall watch that.
The guy who ghostwrote The Art of the Deal, says that Trump has an attention span just this side of ADHD, so trying to prepare for the debate might have been fruitless anyway.
Hillary won I think. She made some good points, Trump talked in a zig-zag way with too many asides. I often agreed with his points but they required interpretation. Clinton seemed rather condescending to Trump.
They both made false statements, but Trump made many more.
Apologies for linking to Fox News, but if you’re looking for a good laugh this morning check out this article gleefully reporting online poll results of voters overwhelmingly declaring Trump the winner of the debate. Their cites? Drudge, Breitbart, CNBC, and themselves. :smack:
The comments section is pure comedy gold (or an extremely sad, depressing tragedy, depending on how you look at it; you decide!).
It was an old-fashioned curb stomping. Hillary kicked his ass, but didn’t finish him off. CNN’s fact-checker this morning gives Hillary a couple of “True, but misleading” tags. Don got pretty much “False” across the board except when he talked about certain groups that support him.
My debate kids described it as “Like watching a freshman who didn’t prep the topic debate the senior who wrote the handbook.”
Trump kept bragging about how he didn’t prepare (though most suspect he did SOME prep work) but I doubt he’ll be using that same line before the next debates. Instead we’ll be hearing stories meant to reassure supporters about how Trump is going to be ready.
Obama famously blew off debate prep for his first debate against Romney and half-assed it with a “Nah, I got this” demeanor. Then he did remarkably poorly and Trump isn’t half the debater that Obama is (Trump is a good speaker in his element, but not a good debater). This just isn’t the sort of thing you can piss around with and expect a decent performance. Bannon and Conway will need to start cracking the whip because Trump can’t afford another shit performance.
Hillary: The financial crisis 8 years ago was in large parts because of tax policies that slashed taxes on the wealthy, failed to invest in the middle class, took their eyes off of wall street and created a perfact storm…infact Donald was one of the people who rooted for the housing crisis…He said in 2006 that I hope it collapses and I can buy some and make some money. Well, it did collapse.
Narrator: It wasn’t just business to the hundreds of thousands of Americans who lost their home, Donald. Tell Donald that Americans’ homes aren’t just business.
And here’s the transcript of the debates, along with annotations. I wouldn’t read the whole thing, but it’s easy to search if you want to see what specifically was said.
As a businessman, one always hopes to buy cheap and sell high. All that tells is that Trump is a smart businessman who realised housing sector was in a bubble.
Good summary. I was a bit disappointed with Hillary. She did fine, but she has been much better in the past. To be fair, though, it’s difficult to be at the top of your game when your opponent is a blabbering fool.
But, to the extent this is about style instead of substance, Trump really got hurt by the split screen-- I think a number of posters mentioned that in the live debate thread. While Hillary was speaking, he was frowning and fidgety. And he interrupted her way too often. Hillary, OTOH, had a calm demeanor when Trump was speaking. If you think of the Nixon, Kennedy debates, Trump was Nixon (without the substance). He got a few good zingers in, but I don’t think there can be any question that HRC bested him.
Money can be made in a good housing market which doesn’t result in people getting kicked out of their homes, and it can be made in bad housing markets. Trump admitted he was rooting for a bad market, and thus rooting for a lot of Americans to suffer and lose their homes.