[Jokes in] GQ

" The purpose of General Questions is to get factual questions answered. In order to accomplish this we need the threads to stay on topic. We tolerate some joking, but that is generally acceptable only after the question has been answered. Please do not race to a thread to post that hilarious one-liner in response to the thread title, and don’t drive by just to drop in an anecdote that doesn’t answer the question. If you want to be funny while contributing to the thread, go for it".

I see many “Jokes” before even a attempt to answer. I see only a couple of posts which are “contributing to the thread”.

There’s a difference between “being funny while contributing to the thread” and just seagulling in useless one liners.

Are you going with the “Mom he’s doing it too!” defense?

You got called out on junior modding, legitimate.

Someone else got called out on giving a (sorta) joke response before any serious replies, legitimate.

No one was warned, just a note. Also a good call.

I believe the amount of good information is being hampered by the uneasy feeling caused by knowing the subject matter of the threads opened by the OP. I know it certainly is giving me pause.

If you thought things were being done wrong, you should have reported it, not taken it upon yourself to scold. The end.

Apparently, Cafe Society is no place for joking either.

It’s a balance. The twin missions of this message board are fighting ignorance and making wisecracks. But if you are not funny, don’t make a wisecrack. And try not to submit ignorant, false, misleading or insufficiently informed posts, even if you get a charge from the attention.

Different people will have different opinions on the proper balance. This is the sort of thing to leave to the mods.

I opine that jokes fight ignorance when the thread is near the bottom of the first page: it’s reasonable to bump that way.

More generally, “I am irritated”, is not the best guideline for setting board policy. A little detachment helps. That said, this is a reasonable topic for discussion at ATMB. While I’m at it and hijack! we should try to curb the zombie jokes. They are unwelcoming to newbies. Yes, most newbies are useless. But we don’t want to chase away the top 10%. The most conscientious newbies are more likely to be sensitive to social criticism, so zombie jokes to some extent are counterproductive. Posters with standard punctuation and spelling should be welcomed to the board, along with a friendly note saying that the thread dates from 20XX, and the consequences of the same.

It seems rather odd to quote one rule (jokes in GQ) while ignoring another (junior modding) in the thread you link. It considerably lessens the force of your argument.

Lighten up, Francis.

Deth is serious business.

CS certainly can be, but since when cant a Op try to get his own thread back on track?

You can try all you want. Good luck with that.

IMHO the OP can always try to nudge the thread back to where he wants it. But just being the OP doesn’t make you the owner of the thread or Deputy Mod for your own thread. Not that I’m saying you overstepped the bounds in the linked thread. I didn’t read it in context. Anyway that’s how I see it. I don’t think there is a hard and fast rule about it.

The OP can try to steer the conversation back on track without trying to steer the other posters.

If someone’s breaking the rules, report the post.

The question of when jokes are OK and when they aren’t is not simple. Generally, we’re pretty tolerant, but it’s all situational. And it also depends on whether something was reported, because otherwise a mod might not have seen it. GQ has a specific Guideline, because it was a problem in that forum. CS doesn’t, because it’s not been a problem per se.

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a staff response in this forum, albeit years ago, that jokes in GQ were fine AFTER the question had been answered. Has that changed?

I was annoyed with jokes in GQ until once no one gave me a good answer and my query was about to drop off the page and someone posted a joke at reply 12 bumping it back up and reply 13 was spot on.

Yeah, when someone provides substance when they bump a thread it’s too many zombie jokes that are the real problem.

Besides, I prefer old school monsters. Zombies used to have zombie masters. And would it hurt to mix in Dracula or ghosts once in a while?

I was under the impression that was more of a guideline than a hard rule. Post #2 being a quick one-liner that is unlikely to derail the thread is probably going to be fine. I think it’s sort of “no harm, no foul” - if the joke is actually funny and doesn’t cause a derail, it’ll probably fly unchallenged. If the joke is unfunny, offensive or otherwise leads to a derail, you’re probably gonna get dinged for it.

What the staff are really trying to avoid are the derails or the times when everybody and their brother is chiming in with a stupid pun before anybody even had a chance to answer the OP. They don’t want answers getting buried, is all. (I think.)

Are you serious?

Yes, that is correct. It’s even stated in the rule that was quoted in the OP:

[QUOTE=The GQ Rules]
We tolerate some joking
[/QUOTE]

The Straight Dope is both an information column, and a humor column. Cecil often includes jokes in his responses. This site wouldn’t be the same if we didn’t permit some joking. We have a small restriction in GQ in order to facilitate getting factual answers; we don’t want threads to be hijacked by jokes before there is an opportunity for it to be answered straight up. After that jokes are OK - I do it myself. (However, if a GQ thread ends up being mostly jokes it may be moved to IMHO or MPSIMS.) I may not moderate even an initial joke unless it is particularly stupid or obnoxious or derails the thread.

We don’t usually discuss thread reports publicly, but since DrDeth has chosen to make this an issue, and his thread reports are relevant to both his complaint and my moderation of that thread, I’m going to make an exception in this case.

First I would like to say that my comments are not intended to discourage anyone from reporting posts. When in doubt, please report. We would rather receive reports that end up requiring no action, than having some situation get out of hand because nobody reported it. This said, if you frequently make thread reports of a particular behavior, and the mods rarely or never act on them, you might consider whether perhaps the mods don’t regard that as a rules violation or something else that requires action. If you want to know why the mods haven’t taken action on your thread report, you can always email or PM us to get clarification.

DrDeth frequently reports jokes in GQ, as well as a number of other offenses. Sometimes I have taken action on them if they are the first response to a thread, but often they come later and need no response. In the thread in question, DrDeth reported no fewer than three different posts (for being a jerk; deliberately false answers; and junior modding). I took action on the first response to the OP, which I interpreted as an attempt at a joke rather than being a jerk. In reference to the subsequent joke posts, by that time the thread had mostly settled down into factual answers so I didn’t feel the need to take further action.

Having reported the other posts, the appropriate thing for DrDeth to do would be to simply allow the mods to deal with them. If they weren’t, he could have contacted us to ask why we hadn’t. Instead, rather than reporting the post he commented on, he chose to take it upon himself to chastise the poster for what he thought was wrong behavior. Since he obviously knew that the proper thing to do was to report the post, and that junior modding was against the rules, I felt a note was in order when he junior modded another post rather than reporting it.

DrDeth, I would ask you to leave it to the mods to determine the appropriate level of joking in GQ. I request that you no longer report joke answers as rules violations in this forum, because you clearly have a different view on them than the GQ moderators. If there are actual violations, another poster probably will report them, so there is no need for you to do it.

PS. Thread title edited to clarify subject.