This might be an argument if you plotted to have all of DopeTech’s employees quit without any advance notice.
The article says this was not the case in regards to ThedaCare. They were apparently made aware weeks ago that these employees were planning on leaving their jobs but chose not to make any plans for this.
Attorney David Muth, who represented Ascension Friday, said their hospital was capable of caring for such patients in the event that it was necessary even though they are not designated at the same level as ThedaCare.
Muth argued that ThedaCare had weeks to come up with better offers to keep their employees or figure out alternate staffing solutions and instead chose to initiate court action days before the workers were set to start at Ascension, resulting in “a mess of ThedaCare’s own making.”
The article notes that ThedaCare has acknowledged this timeline.
It will for at least a little while, since there’s going to be some kind of onboarding process. There’s going to be at least some disruption in the level of service being provided in the community.
Say I didn’t. Say they all gave a full two-weeks notice. It doesn’t matter, because healthcare workers are in such short supply that you can’t just wander down to the local open-air nurse market and hire a bunch more. The hospital is fucked.
Should the government step in?
Note that I’m not defending ThedaCare here. I’m just curious about the government’s responsibility when it comes to private healthcare.
If there is to be a government intervention, it should be to force the hospitals to pay their workers a decent salary. Not to effectively enslave the workers.
Perhaps the government should seize the hospitals from the private owners, rather than seize the labour from unwilling workers.
Medical professionals are in high demand right now. That means their wages will tend to rise.
Ascension was willing to pay higher wages and was able to find employees. ThedaCare appears to be unwilling to pay higher wages and therefore has trouble retaining employees.
I don’t see any compelling public interest in saying people should provide medical services at ThedaCare rather than Ascension.
“There is no right to strike against the public safety by anybody, anywhere, any time.”
Calvin Coolidge said this when 80% of the Boston police force went on strike. Ronald Reagan chortled it as well, when he clobbered the air traffic controllers.
But when shareholders’ dividends not public safety is at stake, its more like the coercion used against Guatemalan banana pickers.
Well, I for one, was wondering if he was elected or at least subject to retention votes thinking I’d be highly disinclined to vote for him the next time around.
My nephew and my nephew-in-law are RNs, and they’ve both changed jobs during the pandemic. Different issues for both, but mostly due to working conditions and pay. My N-i-L has changed three jobs – although one change was because of a move out of state.
It’s not what ThedaCare is okay with, it’s what the injunction actually says. You made the claim that the judge ordered the employees to keep working for their old employer. I’m pointing out that that claim is without any merit, and is contrary to the actual facts.
This is in fact the case.
No, I am saying that the injunction is what is preventing them from working for Ascension. It’s possible that if they all decide to go work at McDonald’s, then ThedaCare may run out and try to get an injunction against that as well, but that’s not the current situation.
Right, and since it’s not true, and I am not saying it is true, your conclusion is irrelevant.
These are people who have the lives of their patients in their hands. Is that responsibility any different from the rest on your list?
According to the current going ons, there is a temporary remedy in getting an injunction. Though it does seem as though many in this thread would side with the evil CEO and equate an injunction to slavery.
According to the article, they do not provide the same services. One is a 24/7 care facility, and the other operates more on business hours. Also, ThedaCare is where Ascension would transfer patients to if they are not able to provide for their medical needs.
So, no, they do not provide the same medical services, and will leave patients without treatment.
But it doesn’t say that they can’t work at ThedaCare, which is obviously what the hope of the injunction is, even if they cannot order that specifically.
The order is temporary, and is to be revisited on Monday with further hearings. Your declaration that it’s not based on medical need is without any factual foundation whatsoever. If it is based on your assertions that the provide the same service, and that gutting the employees at ThedaCare will not leave patients without treatment, then it is based on faulty information.
It is only your assertion that they did not make any plans. If they are not in a position to offer more money, then that’s not something that can be on the table. If it is hard to find employees, which it is, then having advance notice doesn’t mean that they can get the place staffed.
Right, they did so by taking the employees that were working for ThedaCare. Whose employees should ThedaCare poach?
And they claim that they did nothing to actually recruit these employees, right? As much hate and distrust as you have for employers, why do you believe this statement at face value?
Or is unable to, if Ascension charges its patients more, then they would be able to pay their employees more. Unless you actually know the financials involved, your statement of “being unwilling” is simply your creation, but not based on known facts.
Other than that there are patients at ThedaCare who may suffer if the staff goes to Ascension, anyway.
Probably the one that doesn’t have 24/7 care, and the one that is able to reject poorer patients.
ThedaCare asked the court to “partner with” Ascension [which I interpret as have your new employees stay here at our hospital] for 90 days so that they can FILL these positions.
The reason, they CLAIM, is that they need more time to hire replacement staff.
Now, that might be bogus. The employees are saying that they gave plenty of notice.
But, regardless, the judge has most decidedly NOT made a ruling on the merits. He’s said “everybody STOP!” and has said that this will be heard, in its entirety (meaning both sides will be allowed to explain their justification), on Monday.
If the employees have to, by court injunction, stay at ThedaCare while their positions are (re)filled then ThedaCare should, at a minimum, pay them the rate they would have gotten at Ascension. I don’t know how you fix the issue with work hours and work environment tho.
On preview it looks like my points all got stolen by @k9bfriender, but the injunction only temporarily prevents Ascension from employing these individuals. They are free to work anywhere else, including to work for ThedaCare if both they and ThedaCare wish to continue their employment relationship.
But even if they do, it’s a suboptimal outcome for ThedaCare to continue to employ seven extremely disgruntled individuals who have no desire to be there. These employees are likely to be calling in sick, doing the bare minimum, and spreading disgruntlement among other employees. What can ThedaCare do? Fire them?
That’s why I agree with others that the judge essentially issued a Writ of Work this Shit Out. The status quo of the injunction is in no one’s best interest, so he’s trying to force them to find an accommodation. Maybe they agree that the employees will continue at ThedaCare for 30 more days, and Ascension will throw them an additional bonus for the trouble.
And children are also better off, and safer, with teachers who aren’t being abused. I don’t know the specific situation in Chicago, but there’s a lot of abuse of teachers out there.
As I read it, the order is at the hospital level - the request is to order Ascension to partner with ThedaCare so that its new employees stay at ThedaCare for 90 days. I’m guessing this means that the employees would be getting paid their new rate, by their new employer, and they would not experience any personal financial harm.
And why can’t the employer be held responsible for simply refusing to pay the going rate for these employees? How is it the people with control of the money are never help responsible for how they use it?
Not to mention difficulty recruiting new employees. As I see it, they’ve basically screwed themselves. Why would anyone chose to work for them now? They’ve made it clear they won’t pay as much as their competitors, and they’ll literally go to court to stop you from switching jobs. The only people I could see taking a job with them are the ones who are so bad at their jobs that, even with the unprecedented demand for health workers, no one else will hire them.
Just imagine what that will do for patient care quality.