Oh, you know them? Do tell us what really went on.
How dare you imply I clipped part of your post to change the meaning. I did no such thing.
I only included the first part about the mom so it was obvious that’s who you meant by “she” being the only person permitted to visit them.
Here’s your whole quote:
Note that I haven’t changed your meaning in the slightest by clipping the text between “mom” and “she”. Tell me how that is relevant in any way whatsoever.
So answer the question: Do you have a cite that the mother was the only one permitted to visit the kids while they were at Mandy’s Place?
You may well have one that I haven’t seen - but what you posted is the exact opposite of what is in the court transcript.
Are you going to answer that or try to dodge it again with another meaningless post?
Apologies for asking about you assuming anything.
Do you at least recognize that the judge who is intimately familiar with the case wholeheartedly believes the kids are being brainwashed?
That is some evidence is it not? More evidence that she has than she has not?
I don’t know them any better than you do.
But apparently I know the available facts of the case better than you do.
And I am trying to tell you what really went on - based on the facts available.
I can’t help that you want to ignore the available facts and speculate on things for which there is no evidence and spread factually incorrect information that is easily verifiable.
How do you know she caused this?
How do you know she did this?
How do you know her mental health history?
How do you know she did this?
You don’t seem unbiased at all. :rolleyes:
You utterly changed the meaning of her quote. Apparently, you do not understand what she said. She said the mother UNLIKE THE FATHER did not go off when she was the only person who could visit. The father did do that.
That guy isn’t bullying the kid - he’s the kid’s legal representative and he’s trying to help the kid keep himself out of Mandy’s Place. The lawyer realizes the judge has had enough and he’s trying to get the kid to understand how he needs to act - that all the crap the judge has let the kids get away with over time has reached its endpoint.
I don’t see bullying at all. I see a lawyer trying to help his client.
After your explanation and re-reading the quote I see now that I misunderstood what was meant.
I did not clip it though to mislead anyone.
Sorry for that AnaMen.
No wonder you think such crazy things after “reading” the transcript. Maybe you should ask someone to help you puzzle it out.
Apology accepted, thank you. I see that your error was not intentional.
Enjoy your eye exercises. Keep it up and maybe they will improve to the point where you can see what is plainly evident about this case.
Thank you.
Well - I’m gone for the night.
Hate on me all you all want.
I really don’t care.
Yes, the judge believes the mother brainwashed the children. But the judge is psychotic. Her judgement that the mother has brainwashed the children is not evidence that the mother brainwashed the children because if her judgement was sound, she wouldn’t have treated the children the way she did.
Either the mother, the father or both are in the wrong here. But I do not trust this judge to be able to tell which one.
Indeed. Worst case scenario is the mom has brainwashed the kids. That still wouldn’t justify sending the kids off to juvie. Juvie should be, and generally is, reserved either for kids who have committed serious crimes (one kid I knew spent some time in juvie for shooting his mom in the stomach with a shotgun) or for kids who are committing serial crimes that cause so much damage to their community that they need a wake-up call. This case doesn’t qualify under either case.
It doesn’t (or it shouldn’t) matter if the mother has poisoned the children against their father. It doesn’t (or shouldn’t) matter if the mother has been an awful wife and the father has been an innocent victim of her manipulations.
The relationship between the children and their father has clearly broken down to the extent that the children are prepared to go to jail rather than spend any time with him. This may be unfair to him, and may be because of the actions of the mother.
I do not see how forcing children (and in particular the younger children) to spend time with him, against a background of such antipathy, is in their best interest.
It may be unjust for the father, but if the best interests of the children are to be paramount, this doesn’t matter.
The judge is a Family court judge and has the experience of dealing with these complex cases. Family court has to be the most difficult and complex to handle. Emotions run high between parents and the kids are caught in the middle.
I’m still dumb founded how these kids in this case can be so stubborn. To defy a judge and spend time in juvenile detention without relenting is quite remarkable. I’m an adult and would have cracked after one night in jail. The judge wasn’t asking that much. Go meet dad. She can’t force them to enjoy it or have a pleasant conversation. Just show up and you’ve met your obligation to follow the court’s direction.
That all three are presenting such a united front says a lot. Either the mom has done a excellent job of turning them against dad or there is some truth in the allegations of violence. Only the judge knows all the facts of the case. I can’t and won’t speculate about it.
Its my understanding that judges often use their powers to have someone held in detention. I’ve seen news reports of reporters being held for not testifying. Basically anyone that defies the court and won’t comply with their instructions. A few days in detention allows time for them to reconsider before any formal charges are brought. This case isn’t that remarkable other than the age of the children. But this is Family court and they deal with children all the time.
Next time they should try escaping from juvie. That would really show ingenuity – you couldn’t help but root for them, amiright?
Just read the transcript. Damn. What a mess and the judge is crazy.
Seriously, though. What would work with kids like this who would chose juvie over lunch with their father? Threaten them with more and more time obviously failed, even though they all knew the consequences. What would a saner judge have done? Foster care? This is so crazy that I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it.
I think they need to write off any hope of reconciling the 15 year old with his father. There might still be hope if they focus on the two younger kids. Especially if the 15 year old isn’t around glaring and challenging any attempt at reconciling. An older brother has a lot of influence over his younger siblings.
It’s one heck of a mess that’s apparently been dragging on 5 years. I’d agree it’s time for a fresh start. A new judge, new ideas, and hopefully a better outcome.