There is no hypothetical about the Tamir Rice shooting, it happened.
The difference being that I would not have chosen to be placed right next to a person with a gun. The officers had the same choice.
I don’t know. I’m a liberal and not at all pro 2nd amendment, but isn’t “reaching for their gun” the same as “bear arms”? Does that constitutional right cease to exist if you are within eyeball distance of an officer?
What if you are a child reaching for your toy? That would make your statement pretty much a non sequitur, wouldn’t it?
Hey, it isn’t the fault of the cop that the kid couldn’t read his mind.
…so for the rest of this conversation could you at least stop trying to distort this one small factual bit of the story? Is that too much to ask?
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Don’t be silly.
I want one of those handguns !
As the mother of an about to be twelve year old, am I allowed to say that I want cops with better judgment than twelve year olds?
No.
How much fellatio do you perform, on a weekly basis, on LEO?
None.
Admit it-You’ve started to creep them out down at the station just a wee bit, haven’t you?
When someone resorts to that level of discussion, I always assume that they have run out of anything intelligent to say.
English courts (the source of common law) recognized the right to resist an unlawful arrest as far back as 1666 (Hopkin Huggett’s case, 84 Eng. Rep. 1082 (K.B.)).
In the United States, the Supreme Court recognized the right in 1900 (John Bad Elk v. United States, 177 U.S. 529)).
Since that time, all but fourteen states have either by statute or case law abrogated that right, and the rest seem to have done so by implication. If you have a specific state, I’ll tell you when they did so. The Model Penal Code, used by many states as a baseline framework for the law, made the change in 1960 (Wayne R. LaFave, 1 Search and Seizure § 1.13(a)).
Unfortunately, in the real world, the police are not actually obligated to allow suspects the first shot.
So your opinion may be that they SHOULD incur such an obligation, but society as a whole does not agree.
A 9mm bullet travels around 1400 fps. It will travel over 1500 feet before it strikes the ground. That’s easily a few blocks.
Says the guy who introduced hypothetical shots being fired traveling four blocks and hitting a hypothetical 4 year old girl at her hypothetical birthday party into a conversation about a real child getting killed by police who may or may not have been reaching for his toy gun, but certainly wasn’t waving his toy gun around when he was shot. If you want to be more than humored in this conversation, bring some intelligence into it.
That’s my opinion yes. Currently that is not part of the rules of engagement followed by police, but I think that you are stretching when you say that “society” does not agree.
Says the guy who fantasizes about being with police at the police station.
** Smapti? ** 
He didn’t say that.
True. 400+ Americans were killed by cops in the latest reported year. None in Britain. Single digits in Germany. None in Italy, IIRC. But then again European cops don’t have to deal with massive numbers of armed and dangerous gun nuts. Gun nuts should be thanking the family of Tamir Rice: he is the sort of collateral damage that permits them to enjoy their freedom to arm themselves to a crazy extent and engage in homicidal fantasies. Plenty of Americans feel no need to even own a firearm. But plenty do.
Yes, there should be required gun education, provided it’s not taught by NRA manics. That would be like putting the tobacco lobby in charge of health education or appointing Wayne LaPierre to lead a mental health task force.
Back to those imaginary conversations again, I see.