How do you know they are chosen because they want to spend eternity with Jesus? Isn’t that the words of some human? People are forced according to some beliefs because it is, if you don’t choose something that some human said what was Jesus’s word, you will rot in Hell for all eternity.
And wasn’t it some human who was supposed to have quoted Jesus as saying," Many are called but few are chosen"?
If Jesus came to save all humans then He really didn’t,and He even was quoted as saying that He spoke in parables lest some hear and be saved.
Back to kanicbird: I do not think he is an idiot,but after reading many of his posts and answers I have come to the conclusion of 2 things; either he is playing us, or when he contradicts his own statements, like he believes all religions are man made then uses the Christian Bible written by Roman and Orthodox religions to base his beliefs on, and accepts that the people who wrote the Bible spoke the word of God, and doesn’t see how much like the Pharisees he is: such as the Pharisees believed they were the only right ones because they wore their religion on their sleeves and looked down on the publicans, and If I remember rightly they even accused Jesus of having a devil.
He is entitled to his beliefs and I doubt that he is making many converts.
Having all of my knowledge replaced would certainly do the trick for me as well.
It looks like I’m out of luck, however, as your god hasn’t yet dropped by to rewire my head. I’m going to be pissed if I get tossed in a hell I don’t believe in because a god I don’t believe in is too busy to enlighten me.
The funny thing is, as a kid I really truly believed.
I also believed in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, but hey, my parents lied to me a lot as a child. The real pity is that they still to this day haven’t come clean about the God lie.
Every Sunday, millions of cases of child abuse occur and yet society smiles and says that it’s all good. I refer, of course, to small children being dragged to a church to be brainwashed so that religion can inflict itself onto another generation.
Nice. Lib and I and a few others have tried to demonstrate by example that a religious faith and the capacity for critical thinking are not mutually incomenssurate. But your point is well taken – there are a LOT of Christian churches where the atmosphere is one of, “This is what you must think about this issue, and here’s the Biblical reason why – and disagreement is not permissible.” Brainwashing is an excellent word for it.
Okay, these quotes from the Ouija thread have really tipped the scales for me. So KB thinks that some babies are demons in disguise and that he, much like Jesus, can walk on water? I am going to throw my hat into the “KB is mentally ill” ring with the dopers who mentioned that they think KB might be delusional and just hope and pray that I never actually have any kind of direct contact with him.
Thanks, and I heartily return the good wishes. I feel I’ve learned a few things.
I also don’t intend this to be some sort of gotcha, but that’s not really true stated like that. While we can never observe the interior of a black hole, a theoretical description is, while hard, certainly not impossible. We would for a complete description need a complete theory of quantum gravity, which we don’t have yet, but even so, a number of interesting properties are quite well known – Hawking radiation would be one such result, and even more strikingly, via the Bekenstein bound, we know a black hole’s total information content (which is proportional to the area of its horizon). Some attempts of unifying quantum mechanics and general relativity – notably, string theory and loop quantum gravity – have already derived the values for the entropy of certain kinds of black holes, etc. So, we can describe their properties and predict their behaviour to some extent even now, which is pretty much all you get from scientific description anyway.
The problem with non-detectable phenomena is that they are also necessarily non-interacting phenomena and hence don’t play a role in the universe, or indeed, to us (interaction is equivalent to detection). Whether or not those phenomena can be said to exist is more or less a question of what you take existence to mean – I tend to take the stance that, informally, there ought to be some hint of the phenomenon before I’d call it existent. It might be that, if and when that complete and unique TOE I’ve been blabbing about earlier is found, it necessarily entails the existence of some such phenomena, but even then, owing to their non-interacting nature, you can equally well accept or reject the notion of their existence. It’s not, in my opinion, that the question of whether or not they exist can’t be answered, but that it can’t really be meaningfully asked, since existence is simply not well defined enough in that regard; it’d be like asking about the roundness of a square.
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So some rich guy is pissed off with the people he invited to a wedding so he kicks them all out and has his servants round up random schmoes off the street and when one of them doesn’t come up to snuff, he’s hog-tied and thrown in an alley.
Is the The Bible or The Sopranos we’re talking about?
The way I understand that parable, though, taking it in the context of what Jesus has to say about personal behavior and His condemnation of the Pharisees, is, “Clean up your own act. Behave morally – meaning by the standard of love for God and man. Do what God really commands – not what some clown waving a Bible says He commands. And leave others to do the same.”
For example, and by my interpretation: You’re gay? No big deal – but treat those you’re attracted to with love and commitment, not as casual sex objects. You’re not gay? Same thing – clean up how you act towards others, and stop worrying about whether they’re sinning. You’re sinning against them!" The ‘wedding garments’ are the changed life behaving according to what God wants (as taught by Jesus, not as abstracted from random prooftexts) – if you want to be at the King’s wedding feast, clean yourself up – not somebody else!"
In a matter of speaking, yes He is, we are to clothe ourselves with Christ (Ro 13:14)
In doing so become more conformed to His likeness (Ro 8:29). To the point that we become one with Him in a marital relationship relationship between Christ (bridegroom) and the church (bride)(Eph 5:31,32).
Failure to do this would mean that you didn’t do the work that God had for you AFTER He called you, but when your own way.
IMHO It is also the reason that we believers get to pray in the name and authority of Jesus, we as the bride of Jesus get to use His name in it’s full authority, just as a (human) bride gets to take the name of her husband, she gets full authority of that name and is fully accepted as a member of that family.
(Well, after reading his recent post in this thread, let’s hope he really DID mean that he went ice-skating)
Other than that, dude needs serious psychiatric help. If you’re really, truly seeing demons in children and animals, then THAT IS A SIGN OF PSYCHIATRIC ILLNESS, Kanicbird!!! There is NO SHAME in seeking help. Ever stop and think that maybe God is helping you through the actions of your doctors? Remember the old joke of the drowning man who refuses help claiming that “God will save me?” Do you remember what happens to him?
Don’t be an idiot-GET HELP. Seriously. You NEED it.
(Oh, and for those arguing about whether or not God and such exists in the first place-please, do NOT start arguing with him-that’s the LAST thing this guy needs right now. Like I said, if he’s not yanking our chains-and considering how long he’s been here, I doubt it-then he needs help.)
(Thanks, btw.)