I have to agree that rape is an act of violence more than a sexual act, so I’m not sure that the lack of a penis would stop an attack. It is also very true that sexual penetration happens with foreign objects all the time, so again a penis is not a requirement.
As to what the parents in the neighborhood might consider appropriate punishment for this guy, just think what might happen if you lived in northern California. We had a woman (damn, can’t remember her name, but she was infamous for a while) up near Modesto, I think, whose son was allegedly molested by a male authority figure. When she thought he might get a lighter sentence than life in prison, she came to court armed (no metal detectors in rural counties), walked up to the rail behind the defense table, and shot him dead. Frontier justice and all that.
I recall she did some fairly hard time, but was given a compassionate release when she was diagnosed with cancer.
Not that I’m saying she did the right thing, because I don’t know. Everything I’ve ever heard about child sexual predators is that it’s not a one-time thing, or an occasional hobby. It is a compulsion, and they are unable to stop themselves from re-offending.
dropzone, these guys do tend to have the shortest life expectancy of all prison inmates, and they may be protected from the gen pop for their own safety.
I hope the Edmonton police have the balls to go ahead and issue a public warning as the rights of our community outweigh the questionable rights of this vermin called Toft.
There might be a few people in this city who haven’t seen his picture and everyone needs to know what this bag of pus looks like.
If the system fails and Toft is released into a halfway house this Friday I don’t see how it will take long for people to know where he is being kept.
Yup. In many places it’s called the Protected Custody Unit (PC), or Punk City to the General Population. 'Tis not a happy place, but never-the-less one where mollesters can do thier time with reasonable protection from bodily harm.
Ah, general population! That’s how Wisconsin solved that nasty Jeffrey Dahmer problem they had. MUCH cheaper and MUCH faster than regular capital punishment.
Feynn, rest assured. If some sort of official notice gets stopped, the neighbors will probably take care of it themselves.
Here in southern California, we have had whole neighborhoods picketing, distributing flyers, and basically hounding these guys so badly that they have to move.
Unfair? Maybe. Justice? Probably. I hope these fuckers never have another moment’s peace, and feel scared and threatened wherever they go. I know that’s how their victims feel.
And yes, I was very impressed with the Dahmer incident. I’m sure that those thugs thought that up all by themselves…
Once again I was trapped by poor word choice. I did not mean to imply either that Canada has no constitution or that Canadians do not care about their constitution. I meant only that me saying “unconstitutional” in reference to my constitution is meaningless when talking about something that is happening in Canada.
Feynn, I understand that in Canada it is allowed for the courts to remand until it is considered safe to release them. As long as this is part of the original sentencing I have no problem with it. Out of curiosity, though, can this be done with any criminal or just certain classes (could the court decide to keep a tax evader in jail forever, out of fear that he’ll do it again)?
thinksnow: Yes, I am aware of that. Yes, I have certain problems with that. But overall I am fine with sex offenders being under surveillance after release, as long as that is part of the original sentence. All I am saying is that it is not fair to change the punishment after the punishment has been served. Yes, it sucks. Yes, that may put innocent people at risk. But it is necessary.
Dijon Warlock: I generally agree. I would probably argue against such draconian punishments, but as long as the punishment is draconian from the beginning I have less problem than if it were to become draconian at the end.
I always have concerns when the police start protecting the “rights” of the community at the expense of the rights of the individual, now matter how questionable the individual.
Obf, this may help, you have to scroll way down to see the section under “Dangerous Offender”, but it explains the lengthy process. It’s not that easy to have someone declared a dangerous offender, but in this case, Toft really does fit the bill.
I never really did blame him for anything. I just saw what I saw, and if I saw it, then someone else was guaranteed to. I was trying to be helpful. I certainly didn’t flame him, and I’m glad to see that nobody else has.
Airman love, I really did take your post both ways. That is to say that I read it a few times, and could see how you were going either way it.
My post wasn’t directed directly at you, I just was trying to keep that part of it from being the major issue.
As I am sure we all can see the big issue is that this man could be living next door to anyone of us at any given time.
I am the mother of five, and that just disturbs me to the core.
Parents and children have enough to worry about.
Although it’s not permanent Toft can look forward to spending the next six months to a year being locked down in a secure psychiatric facility. No halfway house, no curfew, no shitbag roaming the streets of our fine city.
One of the reasons Toft isn’t getting out is due to the outrage demonstrated by so many people here and across the country.
Perhaps during the next year the New Brunswick police and the R.C.M.P. will get their collective shit together and file more charges against Toft. He was originally charged with 34 counts of child molestation and sentenced to thirteen years. That’s .34 years per child so if they give him that penalty for the other 200 children he is accused of molesting he will remain in prison for the next 76 years.
He can even get out after spending two thirds of that 76 years with my blessing. By that time he’ll be 115 years old and I don’t think he’ll pose much of a threat to anyone.
This maggot is not your regular offender. He is a predator, and nothing less. Such an individual is largely incurable and needs to be denied liberty in order to protect society. Serial molestation of children and traffic in their misery places this scum bag on an order with slime mould. His release should not even be a consideration and all parole hearings should be mere formalities.
Speaking as a man who was molested by many pedophiles as a kid I certainly hope this guy gets put away forever…
I can still remember when the pedophile who abused all kinds of boys at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto got about three years for wrecking all those guys’ lives… One of the victims even committed suicide soon after the “sentencing”…
I wish there was a way to make these guys pay restitution to those of us they molested - forever… Cuz they get to pretend it’s “behind” them… We can’t…
And as to the homosexual pedophile thing… Most of the guys who abused me were straight…
And to say that the re-offending is higher among “Gay pedophiles” is meaningless…
It should have said “More re-offending gay pedophiles than straight pedophiles got caught by us” You can’t measure if someone molests again if they aren’t caught for many years…
Take it from someone who was abused by two straight mayors and a member of Provincial Parliament many years ago… They were never caught… In fact they were supposedly upstanding members of society…
Most boys who get abused don’t deal with it til they’re adults… Or are WAY too embarrassed to every tell anyone for years…
By that time, the pedophile has gone on to many new victims…
Feynn- I thought of your thread as soon as I saw this…
"**Judge Deliberates Molester’s Fate (from AP 8-15-01)
… Christopher Reardon, 29, a former church youth leader who admits befriending and then assaulting two dozen boys, has pleaded guilty to 75 counts, including rape, indecent assault and battery on a child and disseminating pornography… Psychologist Carol Ball said she believes Reardon’s intelligence and his demonstrated attraction to adult women - a sign he’s not an irredeemable pedophile - make him a viable candidate for treatment.
“I don’t see any sense that there’s a sadistic component, by that I mean he doesn’t get any gratification out of causing people harm,” said Ball, who was called to testify by Reardon’s attorney.
“It is what we would refer to as the use of sexuality for non-sensual reasons,” Cohen (a psychologist) said of Reardon’s acts. “There was no lust, there was no eroticism.”
Prosecutor Robert Brennan challenged Cohen to reconsider his assessment after he looked at notebooks taken from Reardon’s home the day he was arrested. The notebooks contained details regarding the boys and information on how to coerce children into sex.
Reardon could face life in prison when sentenced Friday. Prosecutors have asked for 50 to 75 years. **"
Oh. My. God.
If there was no lust, and no sadistic component, then what the hell possessed this animal to sexually assualt all those kids?!? I love lawyers, but I think I have to go wash now…
My problem is that an 18 year-old boy that has sex with his 16 year-old girlfriend is considered a sex offender and has to register and inform his neigbors of his “crime” in exactly the same way a walking shitbag that has raped multiple children does.
Toft, on the other hand, is a monster, and IMO, deserves to die. If he were in Texas, say, the chances of his sentence being “adjusted” might be a bit higher.
Indeed, and that is precisely one of the problems I have with the laws as they stand. There is no (or very little) attempt to differentiate the two situations in real life. Registry as a sex offender is simply that; people are free from that point to assume the worst of the offender, and usually do. There’s very little effort to counteract this tendency.
I’m not familiar with Canadian law, but I know here in New York (and in quite a few other states, as I understand) the law includes an exception that creates a sort of “buffer zone” - it’s statutory rape unless the “victim” is less than three years younger than the “perpetrator.”
In Texas there is a two year buffer, as long as both people are minors. Once one hits the golden age of 18, the two year buffer no longer applies. I’m not sure if there is disparity like this between Canadian provinces.
I believe, and someone correct me if I’m wrong, that once you are found guilty as a sex offender, even if your offense would not have been found as a crime in the state you move to, you are still required to register as a convicted sex offender and inform your neighbors of such.
First, I think Dijon makes a very important point to consider as far as how dangerous it can be to have both broad definitions and harsh sentencing for something we find repugnant.
Second, whatever happened to the concept of criminal insanity. Its seems that they used to consider behaviour that was both abnormal and extremely dangerous and use this, at least as a pretext, to put people into places where they could be continually monitored and perhaps even actually “cured”. IMHO, sexual predation should at the least fit into this category. I doubt that any person decides or chooses to become a child molester, I believe that they are asking on impulses which they cannot control. These impulses are harmful to children. If my impulse were to shoot people, and I admitted that this were incontrollable, I would hope I would be locked up for everyone’s own safety.
This begs the question of course, of whether sexual predation is indeed a mental illness, and opens the door to pedophilia (without acting on the impulse) is a mental illness. Again, in my opinion, I would have to say yes. However, one would seem a more severe illness than the other. Not psychotic, but neurotic compulsions to different degrees.
Please feel free to add curses in the language of your choice after you read this.
Some highlights of the news report…
*“EDMONTON – One of Canada’s most notorious sex offenders is to be released from a Saskatchewan psychiatric centre in about a month.”
“The risk assessment will include a risk assessment towards the community from Karl Toft and then there’s also the risk assessment . . . to see what the risk is to him as an individual from the public.”
“A National Parole Board report written just weeks before his scheduled release classified him as posing the highest risk for reoffending even after intensive treatment.”
*To say the risk to Toft would be high would be a gross understatement. I know people with vehicles that just wouldn’t be able to stop if Toft stepped out in front of them.
So what this says is that our children will not be safe if Toft is roaming the streets.
Let me once again repeat for the record that there is no way in hell this fucking maggot should ever step outside a prison. Put him in the general population and stop wasting my tax money on giving this freak a private room.
Whatever happens to him there could never be as bad as what he has done to his victims.
