Karl Toft - MY FUCKING NEIGHBOUR??

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THIS SHIT BOGGLES THE MIND.

Karl Toft is this country’s worst sexual offender, a homosexual pedophile who, by his own admission molested two hundred boys on 1400 occccasions.

He wants to be my neighbour.

Who is Karl Toft? Check the links.

http://www.fyiedmonton.com/cgi-bin/niveau2.cgi?s=default&p=43367.html&a=1

http://www.fyiedmonton.com/cgi-bin/niveau2.cgi?s=societe&p=8481.html&a=1

http://www.fyiedmonton.com/cgi-bin/niveau2.cgi?s=societe&p=5470.html&a=1

“During a parole hearing yesterday where he was refused a release into the community, Toft said he wants to move to the Kingsway neighbourhood. The 63-year-old mentioned he has scouted Kingsway Garden Mall early in the day to make sure there are no young boys there to tempt him.”

“Panellist Cindy Caudron was angry that Toft, who had planned to live with a fellow sex offender in the Kingsway area, hadn’t chosen an adults-only building. She lashed out at his reluctance to take medication that curbed his sex drive.”

“I hate like hell taking medication,” Toft said.

It just so happens that my two favourite boys happen to be at that very mall as I write this and there is an elementary school three blocks away.

Toft admitted yesterday he’s still attracted to boys.

“I do not feel I’m cured,” he said.

Toft has admitted to molesting 200 boys and there are 1400 incidents listed against Toft alone.

It is alleged that Toft abused as many as 700 boys in twenty years as he served as a reformatory guard and that he also operated a pedophile ring to supply other pedophiles including a high ranking R.C.M.P. officer and the former Premier of New Brunswick.

How hard is this to figure out? The guy is a sick fucking freak who admits to still be attracted to boys. This thing called Karl Toft should never see the light of day unless it is from his cell window. They should classify him as a dangerous offender, lock him up, and throw away the fucking key. As a homosexual pedophile, this puts him in the highest category of re-offenders.

Many of victims want to see him dead. I wish the same.

The Fredricton police have re-opened the case which should have never been closed in the first place.

Perhaps justice will prevail and Toft will die in prison.

Maybe he’ll be crossing the street and someone’s brakes will fail.

I like the second scenario better.

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The very fact that he is “not cured” should have made him immediately considered a “Dangerous Offender” by law and therefore held in jail. There are several schools in the area of Kingsway Mall, including the one I will be working at. He admits he still craves young boys for christ sakes.

I don’t want him in my neighbourhood!!

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Jesus, I thought only the US let people out who admitted they were still a threat…

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I would have expected better than that from you, Feynn. I understand your reluctance to have this guy anywhere near you, but I did note the repetition of the phrase “Homosexual pedophile”. I’m sure that it wasn’t your intent, but by putting “homsexual” with “pedophile”, you opened up a big can of worms. And the second part of the above quoted material is virtually guaranteed to get you flamed.

Those statements were made in the heat of the moment, I’m sure. Maybe you’d like to retract them or offer an explanation for them now and forestall the inevitable backlash?

In any event, I’d also like to state that I wouldn’t want anyone like this guy near my kids, if I had any. But now I have a question for you: What do we do with these people when they get out? They have to live somewhere, right?

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If he has served his sentence then he should be free to live where he wants. I can’t support efforts to keep people in prison past the end of their sentence because they are still a threat.

That’s just unconstitutional (I know that “unconstitutional” is a meaningless phrase in Canada). That’s just the way it works. You commit a crime, society chooses a punishment. Society doesn’t get to decide that they were wrong and increase the punishment. (Yes, I know recent case law is disagreeing with me.)

However, I have no problem with them being sentenced to life on the front end, for even minor sexual assault of a child.

I’m assuming, though, that even a parole board will not parole someone who admits to likely recidivism.

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“I would have expected better than that from you, Feynn. I understand your reluctance to have this guy anywhere near you, but I did note the repetition of the phrase “Homosexual pedophile”. I’m sure that it wasn’t your intent, but by putting “homsexual” with “pedophile”, you opened up a big can of worms. And the second part of the above quoted material is virtually guaranteed to get you flamed.”

Airman - So far you’re the only one that has mentioned this and I was simply repeating a professional classification that describes Toft as a pedophile who preys on members of his own sex and that these people also have the highest rate of recidivism. I mean no disrespect to anyone who is homosexual and people who know me will understand I meant no offense. Hell, I’m 45% gay myself.

Feel better now?

Pedophiles just happen to be the lowest form of life on the food chain and the thought of this one being on the loose makes me very angry.

You asked me what do we do with these people when they get out. You completely missed my point as I don’t ever want to see Toft or any of his kind let out.

obfusciatrist - We happen to have a constitution in Canada although you don’t often see us running around screaming that something is against our constitutional rights. Sexual offenders such as pedophiles just can’t serve their sentence and leave prison to live anywhere they want because that is a violation of the rights of every person in the community.

In Canada a criminal can be deemed a dangerous offender and be remanded in custody until they no longer pose a threat to anyone.

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Actually, I was bothered by this and was waiting for someone else to address it.

What is considered a professional classification at one time can be considered hateful in another. It shows bias and reinforces the fallacious belief that gay people are pedophiles. This is not your fault, but the fault of the newspaper reporting the story as well as the person they were interviewing.

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I just lost some of my considerable respect for Canada.

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You are aware that, at least in the US, sexual offenders have to register with the local authorities upon moving to a new area, right? Why do you think that is? Do you thinkit is an unfair practice?

If you are merely arguing that his sentence should not be increased, and it seems you are, then disregard this, but what do you consider the continued watch that the authorities and the community places a convicted offender under? Especially in a case like this, where the convict specifically states that he doesn’t like to take his medicine, still likes boys and doesn’t consider himself cured? This guy, for his own good, would be better of in prison than on the streets where any one of the parents of the hundreds of molested children might decide to adjust his “sentence.”

IMO

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You are aware that, at least in the US, sexual offenders have to register with the local authorities upon moving to a new area, right? Why do you think that is? Do you thinkit is an unfair practice?

If you are merely arguing that his sentence should not be increased, and it seems you are, then disregard this, but what do you consider the continued watch that the authorities and the community places a convicted offender under? Especially in a case like this, where the convict specifically states that he doesn’t like to take his medicine, still likes boys and doesn’t consider himself cured? This guy, for his own good, would be better of in prison than on the streets where any one of the parents of the hundreds of molested children might decide to adjust his “sentence.”

IMO

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I am horrified to hear that this man is being released from prison. The neighbourhood you describe is a nice, family neighbourhood. There is no room for sex offenders of any kind, let alone pedophiles. I lived on Princess Elizabeth Avenue when I was a child, just where the new Compaq/Nait centre is going up. I loved my neighbourhood, and we were safe.

thinksnow, we don’t tend to ‘adjust’ sentences on our own around here. We’re really a peace-loving people, regardless of our red-neck heritage.

obfusciatrist, in Canada the judiciary system can deem a repeat offender as a “dangerous offender” and keep them in jail until they are rehabilitated. I am sorry to see that you don’t feel we care for our constitution, because we do, very much. But more, we care for our children and their safety, and the overall safety of our communities.

Personally, I would do everything within my power to ensure that this monster does not move into my neighbourhood. If in fact he does move in, Feynn, I will help you get him OUT.

Ginger
Who doesn’t take kindly to sex offenders of any kind.

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Wasn’t there a case here in the states a few years ago (I’m thinking Texas, but maybe not) where a convicted child molestor/pedophile (and yes, I’m distinctly aware of the difference, but in this case he was most decidedly both) was about to be released, and he asked to be castrated? I remember him clearly stating that if he were to be released intact he would offend again. The authorities refused the operation on the grounds that it was “cruel and unusual punishment”. He was released ungelded, and within a matter of days he had attacked another child. I think that in the wake of that incident, they passed a bill allowing voluntary castration to inmates due for release, but could not require it, or something.

Duh?

If a person is an uncontrollable pedophile, and he tells you he’s not cured, YOU DO NOT LET HIM OUT!! Time served or not, he knows what he’s talking about; and if you release him, he will do it again. States are starting to realise this (will wonders never cease :rolleyes: ) and there are beginning to be provisions made for extending incarceration beyond that dictated by their sentences. Appalling that it took the victimizing of more children to get people to come to their senses.

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Homosexual, heterosexual, it doesn’t matter it is bad either way, and with this kind of shit sexual orientation doesn’t make it any better or worse.
Don’t make that the issue here.

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I’m with Kricket and others on this bit. I’m sure you weren’t intending to draw the association, but really it shouldn’t be drawn at all. Just another example of social prejudice slipping through. I can certainly see how the statement:

would rile people. Gives the appearance that the distinction is relevant, which it isn’t. But yeah, Feynn, we feel better. Thanks for clarifying. :slight_smile:

obfusciatrist said:

No offence, but I would have a farging HUGE problem with this. Given our fanatical desire to protect our kids at all costs (good), there is a constant push to ever expand what actions can be considered to qualify as sexual assault, regardless of the consequences (not so good). When you’ve got the dual concept of “Sexual assault is so horrible we should lock 'em all up forever, just to be on the safe side” coupled with “sexual assault is so horrible we shouldn’t rule anything out as possibly qualifying for it, just to be on the safe side” you’ve got the potential to destroy an awful lot of innocent lives.

Just remember the dual concept of “Being a witch is so horrible we should put 'em all to death, just to be on the safe side” coupled with “being a witch is so horrible we shouldn’t rule anything out as possibly qualifying for it, just to be on the safe side”.

In short, the harsher you’re going to be on sex offenders, the narrower and more carefully you’re going to have to define what qualifies as a sex offense. The broader the allowable definition, the broader the necessary spectrum of leniency. Otherwise, you can get the Inquisition all over again. I don’t want to go through another one of those.

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Ginger, I wasn’t inferring that you, you = Canada, went around “adjusting” sentences, more that, as you said, Toft (and indeed, the community) would be better served if he were to remain under teh care of professionals that could ensure he was not a danger to his target prey (if that can be considered a proper use of the word.) It seems that, by your statement to obs, you are saying they, they = Canada, can do just this thing, which is good.

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Pardon me? I see nothing wrong with castration for convicted rapists and pedophiles. Physical or chemical, take your pick. Taking another life can be pre-meditated, heat of the moment, or by accident. Rape is not an act of passion, or accident. It takes forethought, and continual effort throughout the act to force yourself on someone else. I believe this especially for those who say they can’t help themselves. I can’t understand how you cannot have any control over certain urges, that’s not the point, but if it is known someone CANNOT control themselves, actions need to be taken to ensure they won’t harm anyone else and in the case of rapists, it seems obvious to me how to do that.

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Feynn,

Please make an effort to go to KGM and make sure that security there has a description (and a current picture, if possible) of this Toft asshole. It’s a mall, of course there are going to be young people there. Also, it seems to me that there are schools in that area, they should get the same information, if they don’t have yet.

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It may be obvious to you, but remember that people/children are frequently sexually assaulted with objects other then a penis. Foreign objects are used, and molestation does not always include penetration of any kind. I don’t see how castrating someone takes away the pedophile urge or the molester’s abusive thoughts.

Zette

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He is more or less quoting the articles he linked to. Here is the exact quote from the first link:
*“You have been diagnosed as a homosexual pedophile … the highest risk category for sexual reoffending even after intensive treatment,” the board members wrote in their report.

“The prognosis for individuals with this profile is generally poor as therapy is difficult.”*

So I don’t really think it’s fair to blame Feynn.

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That’s because it doesn’t. It is just a way for them to talk their way back onto the street.

Were I a violent person I would think that all this publicity would make it easier for a person who IS violent to perpetrate little violence on this jerk’s person. The permanent sort. Hell, I don’t know how his kind survives prison, with all its fathers with nothing to lose.