Karzai Officially President! What Will Obama Do?

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of refugees who went over to the States after the Reds took over. I pass by Westminister, CA almost every day and everywhere I see the Free Vietnam flag flying everywhere.

But the North Vietnamese were communist brutal corrupt incompetent kleptocratic dictatorship. Seriously, if Vietnam hadn’t fell than South Vietnam like the Republic of Korea and Taiwan would be democracies by now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

And reduce the standing of the United States of America as a cowardly state after already losing China and stalemating in Korea? Also the Vietnam War weakened communist power enough for it not to take over Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia.

Ha ha, how selfish of you, anyways that means do not condemn me for a war monger since you don’t have the moral highground here and unlike you I actually care about the people of Iraq.

I think Karzai is reason to get out. We have the choice of ousting yet another government or supporting a corrupt one. While Karzai isn’t popular with all the people of Afghanistan he is popular enough the people won’t tolerate the US throwing out leaders until we get one we like. We should cut support of the Afghanistan government and only keep troops there that are actively pursuing terrorist cells. Keep a small amount of troops for precise military operations targeting terrorist camps as long as we deem it efficient to do so. Congress can argue over what is efficient.

Supporting a president who was elected by corruption is a lost cause. The elections was a result of the UN failing to provide the necessary support to ensure they were fair. I don’t feel its the US’s responsibility to correct that. Let another country spear head that effort with the UN.

Yeah, I’m selfish when it comes to American lives and American treasure. I don’t quite understand when and where I called you a warmonger; if I were going to call you anything it would be something on the order of an immature child who hasn’t least idea of what he is talking about. I’m not about to discuss the moral high ground with a child and I would suggest if you care all that much about the Iraq people, buy yourself a ticket to Iraq and give them a hand. i

I would if I had half the chance but for financial concerns I can’t. I might wish to join the Peace Corps or it’s domestic equivalent (forgot it’s name) when I’m older.

Karzai will say anything we want him to ,to keep our billions of tax money going his way. We could go to Switzerland or the Caymans and visit our tax dollars. But they are being wasted in Afghanistan.

Before we did them the grand favor of blowing their infrastructure apart, and killing hundreds of thousands of their citizens, they were pretty peaceful . The different sects lived together and intermarried. Over half the college students were women and they could and did wear western clothes. Women held jobs and were a big part of the employed.
We knocked them back a few ages. Saddam was their problem. He was not a threat to other countries. Turkey said he was a paper tiger and they refused to help us in conquering Iraq. I do not get warm and fuzzy over what we have done. It is an international crime.
When we abandoned the war in Afghanistan ,we had nothing to stand on.

What success is that.? The place is blown apart and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died. They are not safe in their own neighborhoods. The educated and professional class ran out of Iraq and have not returned. We blew up a beautiful city, Baghdad. There are concrete partitions running through neighborhoods. Do you ever question what you hear on Fox?How would you feel if that happened to your town? Would you describe that as a success?
Al Queda was not in Iraq when we went in.

I don’t watch Fox that much BTW, I usually get my stuff from CNN (a mildly liberal organisation) and Wikipedia. And violence has gone down now in Iraq and also there’s no Saddam anymore.

Saddam was a threat to the oil businesses. He threatened to produce more than OPEC wanted him too. He also wanted to quit using the dollar for oil exchange and go to the Euro. That is why we go to war.
That is the same thing we did in the 50s when we overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran. Their president said he would takeover the oil companies to get more of the money produced . The coup worked ,so we did not have to go in. I am sure we would have.

Smedley Butler on Interventionism Here is Smedley Butler, the most decorated WW1 hero’s take on war. He worked for corporations. Then read what Eisenhower said in his farewell speech when he warned us of the danger of the Military/industrial complex.

‘Losing China’? He really said that? :smiley: Classic.

Wait up a minute … the fifties are on the phone. McCarthy wants his ‘reds under the bed’ hysteria back.

‘Losing China, domino theory’. This little guy cracks me up.

Can we keep him, can we keep him?

Please. :slight_smile:

After days of one bullshit ‘scoop’ after another, a hopeful sign?

Official: Obama won’t take any current war options

Naturally the “senior administration official” spoke on condition of anonymity, so there’s no way to tell if this is just more BS, or not.

Do you care about the people of Iraq? I think you see international politics (mostly warface) as a game, and you want to be on the biggest, strongest, baddest team.

Tell that to the thousands of political prisoners that were being tortured in Saddam’s jails.

Tell that to the tens of thousands we locked up and tortured once we got our paws on the country; to say nothing of the uncounted thousands we plain old killed in the conquest itself.

There are now thousands of people being tortured in Maliki’s jails. Even besides that Iraq was a total disaster for America.

And the ones in Abu Grebe too? Do you believe those numbers? is there any skepticism in America?

This attitude of taking war as a “game” is typical of those who never served in the military, which is the typical person of the far right. From someone who has been there twice, Iraq is like a country sized-Juarez, Mexico with all the violence, all the in-fighting between different factions, plus the nightmare of religious extremism. Baghdad is completely divided by barriers of concrete, the different neighborhoods walled off from each other. Hospitals, basic services (water and electricity) are precarious at best… Its the kind of thing that you have to see to understand, war is hell and anyone who cheers for it would defecate on themselves if they actually seem its reality…

Waterboarded by a waterbird?

We3 lost the right to complain about Saddam torturing his prisoners, when we did the same damn thing.
We felt it was immoral for him to do it and we had to stop him. Then we did it. So if someone wanted to stop us ,we would deserve it?