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Transgender rights means people can use the bathroom according to their gender identity. It does NOT include the right to switch back and forth at will. That would make all bathrooms de facto unisex bathrooms.[…]
If someone is a gender, that’s their gender. They can’t just go back and forth between genders […]
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Would we charge a man - a cisgender male - with a “bathroom crime” for using the women’s room?
And now that transgender people are in the picture, one could be a cisgender female who identifies, and looks, like a man, but could use the women’s room. So that means you can’t just look at someone and say they’re using the wrong restroom, even if they are using the one that corresponds to their sex.[…]
But that’s off the table now. They can’t require males to look like men or females to look like women. So it’s impossible to know if it’s a man or woman, or male or female, using a given restroom
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Within the above quote snippets, I will show that while the letter of the law might have been meant to lock people into a different binary bathroom choice; the transgender issue has muddied the waters enough that, in practical effect, all bathrooms are now unisex and gender-fluid (at least to those people who can convincingly lie slightly more than 0%).
I agree that transgender rights groups are not necessarily interested in gender-fluid rights, as their own transgender issues revolve around truly/fully being the gender opposite to their birth sex. In Una Persson’s own thread on asking about her transgenderism post#20,
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=711614&highlight=transgender
[QUOTE=Una Persson]
An intersex person is born medically “none of the above” or “both of the above” in the most extreme cases, in that you can’t say 100% if they are female or male. The conditions may be so mild they never realize it until they die - or so profound their daily life is altered from the norm.
An intersex person raised as one gender and who must present as one gender physically, socially, and legally, but changes all of those things later in life, is also a transsexual. That’s my case.
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We see that the switch itself to force the body to match the mind, is what makes a person transgender.
But you freely admit that, "now that transgender people are in the picture, one could be a cisgender female who identifies, and looks, like a man, but could use the women’s room. So that means you can’t just look at someone and say they’re using the wrong restroom…They can’t require males to look like men or females to look like women. So it’s impossible to know if it’s a man or woman, or male or female, using a given restroom.” So, practically speaking, all of our public bathrooms are already effectively unisex. Anyone in our society today can freely use any bathroom they want at any time if, when questioned, they say they are the appropriate gender for that bathroom. There is no proof otherwise, and now we are to take it as true on the person’s honor.
Who really uses specific public restrooms enough that the regular workers there will have remembered a person going into both restrooms over the months and start to get suspicious? What workers regularly toiling around the bathrooms would even be paid enough to care? Are we talking about an office setting pooping with our coworkers? If that, then we have made enough headway on the transgender issue that we cold probably browbeat the others into accepting our gender-fluidity given a slightly more convincing string of lies (if we wanted to abuse their trust).
But I do see the importance of agitating for official changes to our laws, such that no genderfluid/transgender/colored/etc individual should ever be worried about being abused for using the wrong restroom.
