Keeping goldfish (or guppies, or ...)

My betta lives in one of those three-gallon Eclipse tanks with a heater – it sticks on the side, 25 watt, I think it’s a Hagen. They do much better if you boost their temperatures to about 78F. I’ve had heated and unheated bettas and the heated ones seem happier and more energetic. I don’t cycle the tank, so I have to clean it out completely every couple of weeks, and I’m on the lookout for live plants that can deal with that (java moss I know does well, but I haven’t found anybody local that sells it yet). I wouldn’t go under a gallon for a betta, personally, because you need to clean the tank or bowl more often the smaller the container.

Bettas need air, too, so make sure some can get in there.

And I agree, they are fun little fishies!

E-mail me and when it gets warm enough I can send you some for the cost of priority mail.

I think bettas are beautiful. One of my buddies has a great many and i always enjoy checking them out when at his place. He has one small tank with 3 dividers, with plants, rocs, and a male betta in each compartment. So they are frequently displaying when they see each other, but can hide behind plants/rocks when they want to chill. Always remind be of jewels.

Twix, I saw on the Planted Tank that there is a local club in the Philly area. I guarantee they would be your best source for plants/info. I’ve dealt with some of those guys in the past with totally satisfactory results.

One thing I didn’t mention was water quality. Generally - if it is safe to drink, it will be safe for your plants and fish. But some places get their water from wells or such with real extreme chemistry. And inverts can be more sensitive to some chemistry than most fish. You can look that up easily from your water department, or like I said, drop a line to the local experts.

Thanks, Dinsdale – I’m going to poke around and do some research this weekend.

Bettas seem kind of ambitious for a first fish – I really was thinking more guppies or something. How many little bitty fish could I have in a nanotank?

Just the opposite. They require less than just about any fish other than the goldfish.

I don’t really understand this comment. Perhaps you are using “cycle” to mean something different that I am used to. Your tank has a filter, so the media should be building up bacteria. If you want plants, you will not be using carbon. And mulm should develop in the substrate. By all means, stick with whatever works for you. But I just don’t understand why you would need/want to do 100% water changes weekly.

And, a lot of people with planted tanks do massive water changes. 50% weekly is pretty common - some do more. I have never heard that water changes alone were unusually rough on plants. Just suggesting you might be able to grow far more than java moss despite the size and frequency of your water changes.

twix - bettas really aren’t much work at all. Really comes down to whether you want one larger fish and a couple of other critters, or a school of littler fish. The biggest diff I see is if you want to spend $6 or so for a heater, and don’t mind seeing the heater in your tank.

A very very general rule of thumb you often hear is 1" of fish per gallon. But not every piscine inch imposes an equivalent bioload. And, a planted tank will process a greater amount of waste. And a lot goes to personal taste. Some folks prefer much more “crowded” busy tanks, others prefer a sparse look. Both can be done quite well IMO. But I would suggest smaller tanks do better with smaller bioloads. By nature of their small size, nanos can be more susceptible to changes in conditions than larger tanks. Generally, the larger the tank, the easier it is to keep stable.

My seat of the pants recommendation - if you go with guppies, I’d probably put 3 in a 1 gallon. Or a single betta. Think of whether you want baby guppies or not. If not, get all males. Breeding can be fun and interesting, but you’ll need to have something to do with the babies.

If you go with a 5 gallon, you could obviously include some more - or a couple of different species. You might want to try a small school of tetras, which might exhibit schooling behavior. Neons, cardinals, rummy nose. Or maybe white cloud minnows. Tho they’d all probably prefer a heater.

With a 5 gallon you could have - say - 1 betta, 3-4 guppies, a snail, and a couple of shrimp. The shrimp and snail tend to eat detritus - as such, they don’t tremendously increase the bio-load. If you use a heater you could get a dwarf bristlenose catfish, a couple of algae-eating otocinclus cats, and/or maybe a small school of 3 of the smaller cories.

As I said above, I personally like Endler’s. I’ve noticed that in some LFS they sell “feeder” guppies that very closely resemble Endler’s. A buck or less a piece. Have very colorful bodies, but lack the large fan-shaped tails of fancy male gupps. And lacking the big tail, they move somewhat differently.

Okay, I’ll clarify – I don’t run a filter. Everything I’ve read says it’s really hard to stabilize the water chemistry in a tank under 5 gallons, keeping the bacteria stable so the ammonia stays down and whatnot, so I haven’t tried yet. I’m on my fourth betta who has done fine with 100% water changes, though, so I haven’t worried about it. Bettas are relatively forgiving fish, though they aren’t quite as easy as a lot of people assume. And I don’t do it every week, but about every three. It’s a bit of a pain, but Spike is happy. I do top off his water every week or so, but that’s nothing.

And if you’re serious about the java moss – wow! Thanks!

I was confused, because I thought one of the reasons for buying an Eclipse was the built in filter and light. But I’ve never had one myself. I use a mini HOB filter I got on-line for under $10.

But - like I said - stick with whatever works for you.

And yeah, If I don’t send the moss to you, I’ll just toss it when I thin it out. Just send me an e-mail in a couple of months - or whenever it looks like Chicago will stay above freezing long enough to ship it. Between all of my tanks I toss a couple of pounds of weeds pretty much every week.

Toss? You don’t compost it? Think of the nutrients! :eek:

Uh - composting is not a great topic in my household. I want to do more, my wife wants to do less.