Your argument here annihilates itself; by your own words, he wouldn’t turn on Bush because he thought he’d be found innocent.
Because they are a bunch of screw ups ? Honestly, one of the major factors that makes me doubt that it was murder by the Bushites is that I’d expect them to screw it up somehow.
Did Clinton have people kidnapped and tortured ? Clinton simply wasn’t the kind of fellow who would have Foster assassinated; Bush is the sort of man who’d murder Lay. Or his subordinates; they might do it without bothering to mention it to the idiot.
By definition, I don’t know; otherwise, they wouldn’t be secrets.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I’m a cynic. I suspect Bush because I don’t expect any better of him. Nor do I firmly believe it; I’m more neutral on the idea, and was just mentioning a theory I’ve heard. Assuming a real investigation was possible, I wouldn’t be surprised at a guilty or an innocent verdict.
They appear to think themselves invulnerable, and that the public will put up with anything. They may be right.
I’m not buying into the conspiracy theories yet. But,
I keep thinking about Dick Cheney. Now that guy’s got a weak ticker, and should probably have kicked off a long time ago. But he’s got access to the best medical care in the country, and they’re not going to let him die, no matter how much his heart feels like it.
Key Lay strikes me as being in the same league as far as available medical care. If “they” didn’t want him to die of a measly little ol’ heart attack, he wouldn’t have been allowed to. They’d keep his sorry ass going as long as needed. So how is it he was allowed to die “naturally,” what with all the medical care he surely had access to?
People who are tossing around conspiracy theories keep being vague about what part of Lay’s knowledge would need to be covered up. “He knows where all the bodies are buried.” “He could have taken a lot of very powerful people with him.” etc… What, exactly, is unknown? We know that virtually the entire Enron coropration was built on fraud. We know that they reported nonexistent profits while hiding their losses in bogus offshore companies. We know that they bribed the Republicans (and, to a lesser extent, the Democrats) to get the necessary deregulation that allowed their schemes to move forward. We know that they deliberately manipulated prices and supplies to cause the California Energy Crisis. What’s left to figure out? Only a few details.
Obviously the Bushies are remarkably callous about human life, but that doesn’t mean that death by natural causes has stopped occuring, I don’t think. This round of kook theories is as groundless and ridiculous as the claims (frequently made on hate radio and right-wing websites) that fifty of Bill Clinton’s business partners had died “under mysterious circumstances”.
I have a GREAT idea. Let’s make sure that a special prosecutor is hired to investigate whether or not Bush was involved in the death of Ken Lay, even though there is absolutely no evidence that he was. And people who hate Bush can go on TV and endlessly speculate that Bush must have done it. After all, what’s fair is fair, right?
I used to think you were somewhat nuts, but still teetering on the edge of the abyss. Sorry I wasn’t able to get that going away gift to you before you jumped off.
So Lay was smart enough to fleece thousands out of their retirements, not smart enough to keep from being caught, smart enough to set it up in a way that he could deflect blame, not smart enough to use that knowledge in the trial, smart enough to get out of court before sentencing to fake his death, but not smart enough to spill the beans before it came to this?
I know what’s pissing you off about him. You don’t give a shit about those affected by the Enron fiasco. You’re pissed that he didn’t once and for all take Bush down. Had he done that I suspect he’d be the American version of Che to you.
You know that feeling you get about the people bitching about Hillary killing Foster? look in the mirror. You’re just as nuts.
I just pray to God you don’t actually have a position of any real power in our world.
Moderator’s Warning: OK, duffer, cool it or take it to the Pit.
You’ve racked upseveralwarnings for this sort of thing; you need to learn to watch your temper, or at a minimum you’ll be looking at a suspension of posting privileges.
Damnit, I almost made it a Pit thread, but figured it wasn’t Pit worthy. Sincere apology for posting that in the wrong forum. I should trust the instincts from now on. At least until the banning.
I need to remember GD is the forum for accusing vast government entities of evil-doing. Murder, conspiracy, etc. I’ll try to stay in line. (Will probably regret the sarcasm).
GD is also the forum for refuting accusations of vast evil conspiracies by governments and other organizations–it’s just not the forum for taking personal potshots at other posters in the process.
If you’re only cynical about people with a little ® next to their name, then you’re not really cynical, you’re just partisan.
If the only evidence you have to support your assertion is that “Bush is evil, so he’s the type of person that would have someone killed,” then I think I’ll go back to banging my head with a rock hammer. Much more enlightening, y’see.
No, I’m partisan *and *cynical; I regard the Democratic leadership as scum and fools, and the Republican leadership as monsters and lunatics. I’m anti-Republican not pro Democrat, and I’m not fond at all of Clinton; I just don’t think he was the sort to assassinate a former associate. I don’t complain about Democrats because they are irrelevant.
If your going to complain about me, complain about what I actually say. I didn’t say that was evidence; I didn’t say I had evidence; I said that I’d heard the theory, and wouldn’t be surprised if it was true given what Bush and friends are like.
less than 2 years from now the current President could have pardoned him for old times sake or whatever…His energies would have been better spent encouraging that future activity than plan :eek: his own death.
I’m surprised no one’s brought up what I thought to be the second-most likely scenario: his family killed him off, in order to inherit as much as possible before the feds took away the money. The way I see it, Ken’s immediate family (or possibly a charity mentioned in the will) has the most to gain from this timely death. Does anyone know if they’re being investigated?
The most likely scenario, of course, is that the copy of Dance Dance Revolution: Punk Rock Overload he got for his birthday was not the most appropriate choice after all.