Of course I am the one in the wrong and I overlooked exactly what it was you were trying to say, Enipla, my apologies. It stems from my frustration with pundits, politicos and the media’s misuse of the terms.
However, most people would assume that “assault rifle” and “assault weapon” were synonymous, which they are definitely not. If he does in fact own a DEWAT AK-47, it’s legal in states other than California I believe. In california, one can own a registered DEWAT war trinket, but not sell or transfer them except maybe to someone out of state.
I think the question is: Does John F. Kerry, Presidential candidate, own an assault weapon that for the last 10 years has been banned by a bill that he supported?
I think it’s a matter of: “These laws apply to you, but not to me.”
I don’t care about waffling, shit, I change my mind all the time when I get new information! I think it’s one of his good qualities. (Though I do prefer his French Toast!)
No dummy. That was just the Clinton AWB definition of an assault rifle, which has been thoroughly discredited. Select-fire weapons (before 1994) were known as "assault rifles.
No shit? I’m not disagreeing. I misread him, and shot my fucking mouth off. Hell, I even apologized for jumping to conclusions and making an ass of myself.
Prick fuck.
BTW, as a youngin, and a californian, the AWB definition is all I know and truly all that applies.
Sokay. I should have said ‘capable of full-auto’, but I see it as a moot point.
I damn near shot off a response to your post #20 before reading the rest of the thread. I really don’t know what you where trying to say there. I never alluded to anything you included in your re-buff.
Is it de-commisioned? I wonder. I mean really, he could be in deep shit if anyone followed up on this.
Yeah, just like Bush got in trouble for going AWOL!
Kerry’s supporters would forgive im unconditionally while making absurd excuses for the ‘oversight,’ no one would issue an arrest warrant, and the whole thing would quickly be forgotten by everyone but the GOP, and e’d get to keep it as well.
SnakeSpirit, I believe you posted a quote from Kerry about how the AWB covered machine guns.
Pisses me off that either these guys don’t know what the hell they are talking about, or are deliberately misleading people. Pisses GaWd off too, apparently.
We should all be very, very pissed off, but many of the anti-gun folks don’t seem to care. They seem to believe that if it’s a gun law, it’s a good law.
I keep remembering back to a letter I got from Teddy Kennedy supporting the extension of the AWB. E said that there was no practical use for guns that “spray fire from the hip,” and will “Put 20 rounds into a policemen’s body faster than you can say ‘National Rifle Association.’” Both of those, falsehoods.
I can’t believe that these prominant movers in politics don’t know the truth. I’ve told them, the NRA has told them, they’ve had time to check on the veracity of our statements. I can only conclude that they, and the entire organized anti-gun lobby are ***deliberately lying * ** in order to mislead people into supporting their misguided agenda.
Well, maybe not all of them. Some of them are simply stupid and misled themselves.
Teddy lies. Kerry may just be stupid.
All I can concluded is that since many of the anti-gun folks will vote for anyone that is anti-gun. The politicians will mislead to get votes. Nothing new under the sun I guess.
I’m voting for Kerry. But for different reasons. It sucks that his position seems to be anti-gun. Although I’m not sure if he even knows what his position is.
Well, the second statement is definitely a falsehood – but I’m not so sure about the first.
Three of the features that can make a semiautomatic rifle qualify as an “assault weapon” under the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban – the folding stock, the pistol grip, and the flash suppressor – all make it somewhat easier to fire the rifle from the hip. I’m not saying “spray fire from the hip” is an accurate description of what such an activity would look like, particularly since the rifle would only be semiautomatic, but if you wanted to fire such a rifle from the hip it would be easier than if it lacked those 3 features.
(The other two “assault weapon” features – the bayonet clip and the grenade launcher – have nothing to do with being able to fire the rifle from the hip and are pretty much bullshit scary-sounding cosmetic features.)
I disagree. The pistol grip allows the rifle to be made more compact, and easier to fire over your head, out of trenches and such. Think about the angle of your wrist on a regular rifle, and then how you would have to bend it even more on a pistol grip to ‘fire from the hip’.
What kind of gun are you talking about? It’s not Assault weapons.
Sub-machine guns perhaps?
They’er covered in the 1934 ban.
In anycase, anyone that knows anything about guns does not shoot from the hip. Nor does anyone shoot a pistol the sideways ‘gangsta’ style. SnakeSpirit quoted Kennedy as an example of how some policy makers mislead people.
My old Ruger 10/22 in .22 LR could “spray fire from the hip” and “put 20 rounds into a policeman’s body”. I used it to shoot cans and targets. A few people use them for pest control, hunting, etc. A .22 is the firearm equivelent of Mom and apple pie, and even they were affected by the so called “assault weapons” ban. You can make almost anything sound scary and dangerous if you’re dishonest enough.
“This brick can bash in a child’s skull in less than a second, and yet they are widely available. Why don’t we switch to building materials that are less likely to be used as murder weapons? If it saves even ONE LIFE, it’s worth it.”
“This box van could be driven on the sidewalk and mow down hundreds of people before police can stop it. It has the weight of 4 or 5 police cruisers, which are simply no match for the powerful box vans available to criminals today.”
“This .460 Weatherby can defeat ANY body armor in use today, and can penetrate multiple police cars or even innocent civilians homes with a single shot. Why do we let these guns flood our streets with almost no restrictions at all? An 18 year old can buy one!”
“It’s too dangerous for elementry school students to be walking around with sharpened wooden sticks, capable of murdering or maiming another student. The hundreds if not thousands of pencil-related injuries each year prove it. Please support this common sense legislation to keep pencils out of our schools.”
“This muzzleloading rifle can fire a .68 caliber projectile- Larger than the .50 BMG round the military uses to take out lightly armored vehicles and aircraft, and more than TWICE the size of an AK-47 projectile! Yet they are available via MAIL ORDER. Almost anyone can pick up the phone and have one delievered to their home the next day.”
To me, most of the gun control groups sound like the Dihydrogen Monoxide thing that went around a while back. It’s deliberate lying and distortion of the truth designed to play on the emotions of people that don’t know a lot about firearms. They might even get more support if they didn’t come off like a bunch of screaming drama queens that are treating the public like they’re idiots. If only they could make a case without all the BS.
There is exactly one use for those weapons. They exist so that people like Ted Kennedy can convince you that they are the bogeyman and that they and all other weapons should be banned. Because frankly, nobody fires from the hip except in Hollywood, nobody gets killed with full-auto weapons (except in one case when a cop was contracted to do the killing), and full-auto weapons have been carefully controlled since 1934.
But if you knew that you wouldn’t be scared, and then what would Teddy do then?
Maybe the danger is “Those dirty no-nothing crooks are going to start firing from the hip because they see people do it in the movies. And when they do, they’re going to miss their intended target and hit your children!! It’s vitally important that we ban all the guns that look like the ones that people fire from the hip with in Hollywood right now! Oh, and we should also ban revolvers, because movie cowboys are shown not only shooting from the hip but also playing quick-draw with them, which makes them even more unlikely to hit an unintended target.”