Looking through your link, there seem to be all of 2 people who worked with him who expressed support for Kesha (Clarkson and Cyrus).
And even at that, their comments were unspecific and it’s unclear whether they’ve found him to be a rapey sort of guy and support her accusations in that regard, or are just sympathetic - from their vantage point as entertainers - to her battle against a music producer trying to enforce his contractual rights against the performer’s “freedom”.
It’s not surprising at all that no one is speaking in his defense. These days it’s very very bad to be seen as supporting a possible rapist over his ostensible victim. You have to have overwhelming evidence that the charges are bogus before you begin even hinting that just maybe the tragic victim is not all that.
Ke$ha is back. At least she’s honest about her career. It’s all about the $$$$$$$$$
I don’t know the details of her relationship with Dr. Luke. Except it made her a international music star. What happened as private individuals only they know.
Re Cryus and Luke I have no idea what went down between them other than the $ 10,000 toilet bet but he seems to have a rep for calling even powerful personalities out if he thinks their music is substandard so I can see how he would hardly endear himself to big egos with no sexual bad behavior required.
I think we need to see what comes out in court. Kesha’s team is promising lot of witnesses, none of whom have been produced so far. I’m kind for getting the idea based on her lawyer’s comments that they did not expect this kind of fight and were expecting him to roll over once the abuse accusations were made. This is going full legal now.
You’re talking about yourself. I can’t recall a single post from you on rape where you aren’t defending the man. You look for every excuse to believe them over the one making the accusation.
We showed you that people do in fact know about him. You then made more excuses. It’s just two people, and everyone who would defend him must be too scared to do so. Nevermind that there are always people defending people in these situations–even fucking Cosby got defended.
You start with a preconceived conclusion, and then come up with reasons to hold onto it. Not a single admission that you were wrong here. Just moving the goalposts.
Ugh: and while I don’t think I luckily didn’t violate any rules (as I stuck with talking about posts, not people), I apologize for my tone. I forgot we weren’t in the Pit.
Still, I do think that you are calling the kettle black a bit, F-P. You seem just as biased one direction as the people you are arguing against.
I think you are going a bit strong here. They have provided little to no actionable evidence of her sexual assault claims, and she has previously testified in court, under oath, that none of the things she is now saying happened, happened. He may be an unpleasant, controlling SOB, but claiming he is a drugging rapist requires some level of proof absolutely none of which (so far as the news has reported) has been provided so far.
Sure he could be a rapist, but there is also a chance (based on current lack of evidence either way) she could be making these charges up to get out of a financially punishing contract with a producer she obviously loathes. Until the matter is tried in court it makes sense for people in the industry to refrain from commenting or taking sides. Looking at her being wretchedly unhappy and crying in court at the female judge telling her she was not going to bust the contract based on her (so far) un-supported claims you can sympathize on multiple levels depending on your perspective, but until something is offered in the way of proof nobody really knows what happened between them.
The role of power in the situation is probably not limited to power over other people. There’s also the attractiveness of power to people (women especially). There’s also doing what it takes to get people with power to do what you want them to do.
I don’t know what happened between these people - or, frankly, who they are. However I suspect there have been a lot of young people (both women and men) who have been both strongly attracted to a person in power, and more than happy with exploiting their own attractiveness to get what they want from that person in power, but who have felt very differently about the whole thing once their feelings changed and/or they ceased to get what they wanted.
So she’s someone who will lie under oath if what is best for her career is on the line. The only remaining question is: was she doing that then or is she doing that now?
Clarkson’s comments are a very Southern way of saying that she does have bad things to say but she’s choosing not to say them. I don’t know if that means that Dr. Luke did anything to her, or if she witnessed behavior or heard about it, but that’s not just vague support. And Taylor Swift donated $250,000 in support of Kesha, and did work on one song with Dr. Luke, the song Both of Us, where she and B.o.B. wrote the song with Dr. Luke and Cirkut.
And the tide is turning, but it’s still not like people automatically are supportive of the ostensible victim over the possible rapist in all cases. There are still plenty of men with rumors and accusations of abuse of women against them who have little to no harm against their career or reputations. I find it surprising that I haven’t seen any support towards Dr. Luke, even vague non-specific support.
If she was being abused and controlled then, she was lying because she was being abused and controlled. Just like abused wives might lie to the cops about their claim that the weren’t hit but they just accidentally fell down the stairs or whatever, and then later say that they were lying before and were actually abused by their husbands. Obviously you shouldn’t lie to the cops or courts, but in cases of abuse it’s understandable, and shouldn’t be held against the victims later.
He’s not going to be proven guilty because there aren’t criminal charges against him as far as I know. Kesha just wants to get out of her contract.
Given the nuclear nature of the charges and the high profile of the people he works with, most industry people, even if they think the charges are BS are going to keep quiet re supporting him. The media and online universe will descend and devour any celebrity or other person who supports his innocence. Plus maybe, as alleged, he’s just a world class asshole to work with so he really does not have anyone in his corner to say he’s a nice guy. Quite possible, but it does not mean he’s a rapist.
Again, Cosby. People came out and defended him. Quit with this bullshit about how the level accusations means that no one will defend you. No, it means the exact opposite, specifically because of people who, like you, see a horrible accusation and feel they need to defend them.
It honestly feels like everything has a narrative where the accusations are false, and no evidence can be used to counter this short of like a video or something.
And I’m not even saying I’m 100% convinced this happened. I just hate these excuses to nullify what evidence we do have.
Leaving aside various other issues with your post, the one thing you would notice about my posts if you paid attention and were capable of understanding them is that I have not taken any sort of position one way or the other on whether these allegations are true. I have no idea, and I’ve merely observed that a lot of other people who have taken positions similarly have no idea.
The general idea, BigT, is to avoid taking positions on things that you don’t know anything about. This is a policy I would stongly recommend to you as well, although given the extent to which this approach would cut into your post count I can see where this might be difficult for you.
What I said is that it’s vague as to the specific question of whether she was criticizing him for sexual indiscretions or supporting kesha in her efforts to free herself from her contract. There are two separate issues at hand, and these stars did not specify which one they’re supporting her on.
Well… what is the “evidence we do have”? She filed charges almost 2 years ago and what has been delivered so far in the way of hard evidence? So far as I can tell based on news reports it’s pretty much all hearsay or “he said-she said”. Also, hand waving away her testimony under oath that these charges when floated previously were nonsense is going to be tougher to do in front of a jury than in the court of public opinion. She’s shotgunning every personal misconduct accusation at him imaginableshort of his being a follower of Satan.
The fact that no professional wants to step into this media buzzsaw is self preservation. Pretending there is some equivalence in the sympathetic weight of public opinion allotted to his charges vs hers is absurd. He’s a successful record producer noted for being dismissive, stubborn and controlling. He’s enough of a stubborn jerk he didn’t roll over and void the contract after being threatened with these charges. He decided to fight. He’ not a “nice guy”. She’s in mortal grief after not getting a summary judgement based on no evidence to back up her assault claims. The optics are solidly on her side at this point. Whether the jury will be is another matter.
Kesha’s third album will finally be made. She is still stuck with Sony, but at least it’s a step to fulfilling her remaining obligations with them. A new Kesha album is on its way | Page Six
Incredibly, I barely even noticed this news when I found out late Saturday night. I can be forgiven, though: it was the same night the Cubs won the National League pennant for the first time since 1945!