Killing People with your bare hands

This idea intrigues me and I would like to learn more. Please send my your informational video.

Well, yes. And since you’ll never have a 100% chance of victory, you should never fight unless circumstances absolutely force you to.

And even then you should give yourself every advantage you can, which means using a firearm, if availaible.

When it comes to self-defense, ain’t no such thing as “fair”.

The logic is that you fight only when you have to. But it helps if (like Batman) you are prepared. If someone forced their way into my home, damn right I want a grossly unfair advantage. Fair chances and sporting play ae for the sports arena or tourney, not the home invasion robber. :stuck_out_tongue:

If I were within 20 feet of my attacker, I would prefer to have a knife to a rifle. A pistol is a little scarier at close range, but still a knife is more deadly. A gun has a very narrow area of impact, and you have to hit dead on to actually hurt someone with the gun, whereas a knife can slash/pierce and generally cause a whole bunch of damage when it connects. My Kung Fu instructor did a demonstration using a red magic marker how dangerous a knife is at close range. It changed my view on a knife vs a gun.

Also, a ninja would be at an advantage against someone with a gun, unless the person with the gun is also a ninja. It’s very hard to hit a moving target, and a ninja knows how to be a moving target with ninjalike skills. So I’d put my money on the Ninja over the average person with a gun at the close range the fight would be at if you were even aware of the ninja’s presence.

As far as granny goes. Perhaps teaching granny to be a ninja at this point might be a little late in life. However, if she had started earlier, she would be much more spry, and her arthritis would be less of an issue, and she’d be just all around healthier.

I am not advocating dumbasses asserting their fears upon others by taking away their guns using the newly aquired ninja skills as an excuse. I am just saying it would be cool to piss off those dumbasses by a large part of the society aquiring ninja skills because they wouldn’t be able to take away their dreaded ninja claw with legislation. And yes, I am aware that criminals would also be ninjas. However, the ninjas would have less to worry about with other ninjas, because a warrior knows that when going into battle with another warrior the outcome is always uncertain, and they must be reserved, and only take it to an act of violence in an extreme situation. And I think that robbing a granny for her VCR would be beneath a true ninja. A true ninja would seek much more lofty prey, worthy of their skill.

I wouldn’t call it fair chances since you are statistically more likely to have the gun taken from you by the intruder and used against you or your family than you are to successfully use it against the instruder.

And who says the Ninja can’t have a gun as well?
Then, my friends, you are fucked! :slight_smile:

Cite?

Three years ago, I had the pleasure of watching the oldest person inducted as a Master Instructor in the ATA. She was 83, IIRC, at the time. Started in her 60s. Old folks can do it, too.

IMHO, she doesn’t need to do the “full course”. All she needs to learn is some basic self defense based around pressure points, something that will swing the odds in her favor. And let’s face it, most bad guys are not expecting Grandma to know where the brachial plexus origin is, much less be able to drill him on it.

Umm…not necessarily. If they are more than 15 feet from me, I’ll run because the odds are on my side that they will miss if they shoot at me. And if they are six feet or less away from me, I’ll disarm them. It’s that area 6-15 feet that bugs hell out of me. :smiley:

Well, it seems reasonable that you would tip the scales in your favor as much as possible. My goal in a fight isn’t to gain honor, street cred, or to acquire cash or valuables it is to protect myself and possibly someone else. Given my goals I’ll do whatever I can to stack the deck in my favor. Of course given my goals it’s also best to just avoid a fight whenever possible.

Marc

Cite? I mean I know that statistically you’re more likely to use a firearm against a family member or someone you know but that makes a lot of sense to me. After all, I’m more likely to be assaulted or murdered by someone who knows me. Uh, I think we all are actually I don’t mean that I’m such an asshole that people who know me just can’t help but smack me around.

So once you eliminate gunowning homes with a history of domestic violence, drug use, and criminal records then how likely am I to be shot with my own weapon?

Marc

This is a toughie. We depressives would have to learn to kill ourselves with our bare hands on impulse.

Not to beat a dead horse here, but that is exactly what you should strive for should you find yourself in a situation where you must use force.

If you can’t avoid a fight, best end it quickly. If the situation is so critical that violence is the only option, I would do everything in my power to gain every tactical advantage I can, and my only focus would be upon rendering my enemy unable to harm me, either dead, unconscious, or fleeing the fight. Every second that my attacker/opponent is on his feet and intent on violence is a second that he can hurt me or mine.
It’s the same philosophy they use in teaching police to shoot: center mass. There are no shots to wound or disarm. In a complex, chaotic and adrenaline filled situation, even the best range shooter can’t be assured of a disabling head, arm or leg shot. Aim for the biggest target there is, center mass, cause the priority is stopping the target. One missed shot to the head can give the other person time to shoot you or an innocent victim. Fuck that.

This is not to say every physical confrontation should result in the use of deadly force. Far from it - the use of deadly force is a very serious decision and is only justified in the most extreme situations. The single most important aspect of effective self-defense is learning to instintively and accurately gauge the appropriate level of response, and to use every skill, tool and advantage you have to take control of the dangerous situation without exceeding the level of appropriate response.

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:smiley:

Be back in a few, I’m looking for my oft-requested cite.

Uh-huh. Yeah, I bet.

Not to mention that we don’t live in medieval Japan, so the word “ninja” has no meaning anyway.

I cannot find my cite right now. I will return to this thread when I find it. Not sooner.

Robert? Is that you?

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Hi, this site is all about ninjas, REAL NINJAS. This site is awesome. My name is Robert and I can’t stop thinking about ninjas. These guys are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet.

Facts:

  1. Ninjas are mammals.
  2. Ninjas fight ALL the time.
  3. The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people.

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Honneeyyy??

Yes, what is it dear?

Ummmm. I think… Yeah. Call 911.

What’s the problem?

Well. Um. I kicked somebody’s ass.

WHAT?

Some little shit was in our garage, and I hit him. I think he was after our old Playstation.

Killing someone with bare hands is something even the untrained could do. It doesn’t take a genius to realize strangling someone will kill them if you do it for long enough.

No. Strangling is slow. It assumes you have superior brute strength on your side. It ignores the fact that the other person will be fighting back. It forces you to use both hands, leaving you open to being punched, gouged in the eye etc. It is ridiculously easy to break the hold (“keylock” the thumb, pry the hand off, turn it into an arm bar, break the thumb and elbow). Strangling is OK in Frankenstein movies, but not real life. Far better to pick up a phone or end table and bash him on the head.

On the subject of ninjas - there are some wrong assumptions being made. Ninjas were professional “contract” killers. Their methods were based on what is simple and effective (do whatever works). A ninja would use anything that was handy, being very pragmatic. So yes, a ninja would use a gun if he had one available. Besides, whether it is a gun, throwing stars, swords, whatever, that asumes you can get to the damn thing first. They also relied on stealth and surprise. If you are being robbed or worse, that means the other guy has surprise on his side. Ninjas were assassins. They were not battlefield fighters.

Whoever told you that is a total liar. Just like other mammals, ninjas can be mean OR totally awesome.When they’re not cutting off heads or flipping out most of their free time is spent flying, but sometime they stab. (Ask Mark if you don’t believe me.)