I doubt they would put him in the same room with such a politically volatile individual and not tell him
“Politically volatile”?
Whether by name or not, paperwork needs the official rubber stamp of the Person In Charge Of That Sort of Paperwork.
It’s mostly symbolic these days obviously as the number of administered has long grown past the kind of numbers even the most local of administrators in charge can be personally aware of, nevermind personally check out - but it still Is Done.
lol
**CNN Exclusive: Pope held private meeting with same-sex couple in U.S.
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The day before Pope Francis met anti-gay county clerk Kim Davis in Washington last week, he held a private meeting with a longtime friend from Argentina who has been in a same-sex relationship for 19 years.
Yayo Grassi, an openly gay man, brought his partner, Iwan Bagus, as well several other friends to the Vatican Embassy on September 23 for a brief visit with the Pope. A video of the meeting shows Grassi and Francis greeting each other with a warm hug.
I’m curious about the chain of reasoning that leads from “I am a Christian and regard homosexual activity as sin” to “I must do everything in my power to prevent it being acknowledged that same-sex couples meet the requirements for civil marriage under current Kentucky law.”
I don’t get the sense she disagrees that they meet the requirements; if she were a judicial review denialist or something and claimed that Obergefell didn’t actually affect the law or its application I don’t think that would be characterized as a religious objection – she might, but people would be arguing the point, and I don’t see them doing so. Is it her position that simply existing around same-sex civil marriage is a violation of religious law, or is she professing confusion about her role (personal or ex officio) in the process?
I don’t think it’s nonsensical. Poorly worded, perhaps; in the narrowest sense she’s not taking away the rights of the people in the couples to practice whatever religion(s) they practice, but she is standing in the way of their right not to live according to the tenets of her religion if they don’t wish to or feel required to.
So that’s, like, four :p. But yes, exactly. She’s not personally endorsing anything, there’s no real reason it needs her actual name on it.
The statutes currently require the name of the clerk (or deputy) and the county in which the license is issued ot be on the license - its part of the ‘record’.
Its not an endorsement or an authorization - its a “yeah, I certify these folks meet the requirements”.
A link to the statutes is somewhere in the pit thread.
She’s the public official charged with issuing marriage licenses for the county. Her name has to be on it because there’s a statute that says so.
I understand why her name is on the licenses, but I don’t see a reason the law needed to have been written the way it was.
It probably didn’t need to be written that way, but it’s a (weak) layer of protection against forgery, which would have been more important at the time the requirement was written into the statute. Besides, it’s traditional for government acts to be recorded under the name of the relevant presiding officer. That’s why bills have the governor’s signature on them and so forth.
When laws regarding governmental certificates were written (pre Citizens United), it was understood that authority rests with people, not organizations or entities which aren’t sentient beings. Rowan County, being a political designation, cannot authorize that Bob Snob and Joe Flow meet the statutory requirements for a marriage license, because the county can’t read or ask questions or examine documents. Kim Davis acting in her capacity as a duly elected official of Rowan County, can. These documents have human names attached because they reflect reality, not political fictions.
It doesn’t matter. That’s what the law was when she ran for election to take the job that her mother had before her. She didn’t have to run for this office. She could have resigned at any time. The problem is that she doesn’t believe in democracy. She believes that she is above the law.
Well said and explained. Bravo.
Completely agreed. Indeed, if a job is something that you cannot perform with a clean conscience, then you should quit that job and get a new, different job which does not conflict which your conscience.
The Governor-elect of Kentucky, Matt Bevin reportedly will remove the requirement to have the clerk’s name on the marriage license. Reuters reports he will do so by executive order.
Should have been done a long time ago. We’ll seen if Davis continues with her complaining.