I remember that comic. Pretty much everyone whom Kirk had affected by his meddling was there to testify, kind of like the finale to Seinfeld.
IIRC, Anon-7 testified that after Kirk & Co. left, a full-scale war *did *break out between Eminiar and Vendikar, and both civilizations were all but destroyed. As for the Iotians, I’d’ve loved to have seen their reaction when the Feds tried to impose strict gun control on them. Cooperation between thugs; yeah, right!
Dulmer and Lucsly were in Deep Space Nine, not Voyager. And even they thought Kirk was cool
Just saw “The Cloud Minders” this weekend. Kirk actually kidnaps their leader and holds them hostage to make a point about equality (or something like that). This is after he gives the commoners valuable information that says their job is killing them (commoners) to make the aristocracy stronger.
Of course, The Federation has a dog in this fight so maybe the prime directive becomes the secondary directive in cases like this.
I beg to differ. In one episode, the Temporal Police drafted Seven of Nine so she could correct a disturbance in the timeline. I believe they were in other episodes of ***Voyager ***as well, but that’s the one that sticks in my memory. (The names of the officers I don’t remember, unfortunately.)
The Prime Directive applies to to pre-warp civilizations. The Ardanans (The Cloud Minders) were not only warp-capable, they were a member of the Federation. Torture is a Federation no-no.
The quote I mention is in Deep Space Nine.
Dulmur: Be specific, Captain, which Enterprise? There’ve been five.
Lucsly: Six.
Captain Sisko: This was the first Enterprise - Constitution-class.
Dulmur: His ship!
Lucsly: James T. Kirk.
Captain Sisko: The one and only!
Lucsly: Seventeen separate temporal violations; the biggest file on record.
Dulmur: The man was a menace.
David Gerrold, who wrote the story but not the teleplay, says that in his version, Kirk didn’t give a shit about social justice for the Trogs; he just wanted the supply of whatever mineral they were mining to keep flowing. So he made both sides sit down and start negotiating at phaserpoint.
That’s one episode I really, *really *would’ve liked to see!
While breathing some poison mine gas that turned everyone into a rabid dog, as I recall.
The one that always pissed me off was
Requiem for Methuselah.
Kirk should have been criminally charged for his behavior.
First he threatens force to stay on a planet where he’s not wanted. Flint reluctantly agreed to help.
Kirk is given two hours to obtain a mineral Ryetalyn. It’s needed on the ship to cure Rigellian Fever. Flint’s robots obtain and process the ore.
Kirk is there for two lousy hours and gets the hots for the only woman on the planet. Even claims to be in love with her! He ends up destroying Rayna Kapec. She was an Android that shuts down from intense emotion.
Kirk totally screws up Flint’s aka Leonardo’s life. Kills his only companion and leaves.
Talk about abusing the Prime Directive
I don’t think that happened in the original story. In the teleplay, Kirk kidnapped the High Vizier (or whatever his title was) and had him beamed to the mine so he could experience what the Trogs were going through. Without the breathing masks he so generously offered to the Trogs (so they would no longer suffer from mental retardation), both went batshit crazy and started fighting.
“Bombs? Real bombs? Over my nice new azaleas? Screw that, live and let live.” Which was the point. Both sides were used to a nice, neat, tidy war. The real thing would have been much too icky.
What I found amazing about “FC” was Kirk & Co. blithely spouting about about spaceships and other worlds to these obvious primitives, which according to “Bread and Circuses” was a definite PD no-no. But I guess they get a pass because the Capellans have something we really, really want.
Actually, the Eminians did send a “Code 7-10” which was Federation standard for “Please leave.” Ambassador Butthead of the Week overruled Kirk, stating “We really, really need to…” Yeah.
I have more than enough problems with “TOG” without getting into PD debates…
Ditto.
Mmmm, no. Landru 2.0 had these people mind-locked centuries before the Archons turned up and got toasted for their troubles.
For whatever reason, the Capellans had already been contacted by the Feds at some point; McCoy (and presumably other off-worlders) even lived among them for a time. So Kirk was hardly to blame for exposing them to the rest of the Galaxy and its high technology.
Yes, but irrelevant. Investigating what happened to the Archon and what effect it might have had is the reason the Enterprise was there in the first place. They didn’t go there to rescue Landru’s minions. They didn’t seem aware there was a Landru before beaming people down in local costume to check the place out.
I always had trouble with that episode, but you made me realize why. He’s Captain Trump.
Where is Spock when I need him? “Forget…”
Criminal trespass, extortion and armed robbery for starters. Flint could sue for damages as well: one vaporized M-4 unit and the destruction of the android. But remember that Flint was a human who had acquired enough wealth to purchase that planet and move there to retire. Flint was no primitive nor was he an indigenous species so I’m not seeing a PD violation here.
Well, but again, Flint was from the Federation; he had access to warp drive. He isn’t the kind of pre-warp civ the rule is made to protect.
But…yes, Kirk was a real jerk in that episode. (Spock also blundered: he starts to warn Kirk and Flint…and then just shuts up and watches the tragedy unfold. Show some courage, Spock: raise your voice and make them listen! It’s the only logical thing to do!)
(Flint was also a jerk. Rayna could have done a lot better than either of those drips.)
ETA: The “Brahms” waltz in that episode was truly lovely!
Yes it was. According to Memory Alpha: The Brahms paraphrase that Spock plays was written especially for this episode by Ivan Ditmars. The sheet music shown is from Brahms, his 16 Walzes, Op. 39.
Well done, Ivan!
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By exactly what Kirk says near the end.
KIRK: Yes, that’s a very good question, Mister Spock. I propose our cut be put into the planetary treasury and used to guide the Iotians into a more ethical system. Despite themselves, they’ll be forced to accept conventional responsibilities. Isn’t that logical?
So get out of the situation, and now the Federation will have the power to guide them to a better system.
Granted, it’s not the solution I would take. Mine would just be “meh. They’ll grow out of it eventually, just like we did. Just keep a watch on them, just in case.”
So the Feds are going to, uhm, try to “re-educate” them. Yeah, right.
Call me a pessimist, but I do not believe that bodes well for anyone. 