Kissing in Japan.

I’ve been channel surfing again. So, another question about culture:
While I was in the Navy, '64-'68, it was common knowledge that Japanese people didn’t kiss. Not romantically, anyway. In fact, the practice was seen as gross. I did quite a lot of liberty there, and didn’t see anything to dispell that belief. (That they didn’t kiss)
Now, on Japanese television at least, kissing appears to be very popular.
Am I wrong, or have the social customs in Japan regarding kissing changed?
Also, this too from watching tv, it seems that young people in Japan have pulled away from imitating Americans, in music and in their culture. Style. too.

I don’t know the answer to the first question. As to (clothing) fashion, I would agree that it is developing differently from American. They tend to be more in synch with European fashion, but still slightly different.

Kissing has never been considered “gross” in Japanese culture; I have a coffee table book of samurai era erotic paintings that frequently depict kissing. And, if you’ve ever been “fortunate” enough to see modern Japanese pornographic videos, there’s usually a fair bit of kissing involved. However, I don’t doubt that you are correct that the mores have adapted to the point that kissing is acceptable outside of the bedroom, in a way that it might not have been in the 60’s.

Japanese are fond of telling me that they have never whole-heartedly embraced American culture – they pick and choose aspects of it that they find intriguing, much as they do with other Western cultures. They also view themselves as fashion leaders in a lot of ways. There is a building in Shibuya that popular folklore claims is the centre for fashion in Asia. “What comes out of 109 this week will be seen in the stores in Hong Kong and Singapore next week.” I’d suggest taking that with a healthy dose of salt. The Japanese are fond of fads, although there are some timeless stand-outs (the skirt-over-jeans look and leg-warmers are ones that leap to mind). I remember listening to a friend of might gripe that his girlfriend made him buy the English school-boy style winter coat when they were in fashion, only to have it relegated to the back of the closet the following year (and closet space is at a huge premium in Japan!).

Kissing in public (and PDA in general) seems less common here than in the US. In private, however, I’ve yet to encounter a woman who thought kissing was gross.

Here, about 400 miles north of Sublight and Cerowyn, the lack of PDA and closet space is the same but youthful fashions apparently diverge. Hip-hop clothing is big here. Lotsa gangsta looks, baggy pants, basketball jersies on the boys, hootchie wear on the girls. I wonder if any of them know what a Tarheel really is?

When I was first here back in '81, PDA was quite rare, especially in the “countryside” where I lived. It’s far more common now, but you don’t see as much kissing as you would in other places.

Still, Japanese have no problems kissing in private.

Maybe they just told us sailors that, for obvious reasons. :wink:
I remember the populaity of Elvis, country music, and Levis (not any old “jeans”.
Kimonos were still quite common, as was the practice of women walking behind men.

I don’t know about Japan, but in Korea, Levis are pretty popular, usually selling for at least $100 US.

1976 was my first visit to Japan. I was hitch-hiking so I met girls in both the cities and countryside. In neither place did the girls seem to think that kissing was new or different let alone gross.

Feh. Wranglers are superior.

I have learned that kissing is more a sex act there than in the US. Akin to, say, touching the butt, it seems. So much so that casual kissing was (is?) what is unusual.

Casual kissing is much less frequent here than back home.

I picked up a woman once and we went directly to a hotel. She’d fuck, but not kiss. I’ve heard about this back in the States as well, so it’s not just a Japanese thing.

You know, I’ve noticed that. Whenever I go up to Ibaraki or Tochigi-ken, I notice a lot of young women wearing the ganguro fashions that were popular in Tokyo several years earlier. Down in Shizuoka I see a lot of teens wearing the really old-fashioned bosozoku styles as well.

Quality has nothing to do with fashion.

As well as the loose socks, which thankfully died in Tokyo years ago.

So, it’s official now? Berkeley has seceded?

Although I have to say I see more public butt-touching between couples than I ever recall seeing in the U.S.

Nah. Berkeley’s getting all conservative now. We even had an Eddie Bauer store for a while.