Kunilou's rules of conspiracies

Once it gets that big, it isn’t a conspiracy anymore. It’s the establishment. You’re the conspiracy!

Thank you! That’s a much more succint way to put it!

Actually, Secretary of State William H. Seward only narrowly survived an assassination attempt on April 14, 1865 (the same night Lincoln was shot) by Lewis Powell (AKA Lewis Payne). Powell, an associate of John Wilkes Booth, broke into Seward’s bedroom and stabbed him repeatedly. Powell also slashed several other members of the household before fleeing.

Not a bad set of conspiracy rules, though. I’m reminded of Ben Franklin’s dictum, “Two may keep a secret if one of them is dead.”

No, because somebody always talks it’s important to involve as many people as possible and give each as much information as possible. But for this to work you need at least two things; compartilization and disinformation. There’s the people at the top, the people at the bottom, and the people in the middle. You want the people at the bottom to have more information so that there is little chance of them putting the pieces together. You want the people in the middle to not know who really is the “Mr. Big”. That’s why there is always a front. But there should also be a ‘false conspiracy’ something that the people at the top pretend they don’t want to be released. These ‘false conspiracies’ are known by a better name, conspiracy theories.

One real-world example of this can be found with the Roswell incident. The objects found at Roswell were in actuality the remains of a U. S. government experiement to attempt to detect nuclear explosions elsewhere in the world. For various reasons related to national security, the government very reasonably did not want the details of this experiment to be known. So they deliberately encouraged the alien spacecraft explanation, to divert people away from the true purpose. And it worked: Plenty of people know (correctly) that there was a government conspiracy involved in the Roswell incident. Even today, though, few know correctly what that conspiracy actually was.

Chronos that seems a somewhat- uh, bald assertion. Like to provide some cites to back that up?

http://www.csicop.org/si/9507/roswell.html

Strongly supported by evidence at this point. Which explains some of the weirdness.

What I take away from this is that the U.S. government was experimenting with balloons to detect nuclear explosions.

When a balloon crashed and debris were found, the government claimed they were “weather balloons.”

No claims of aliens, no assertions that the debris were part of an experiment to harness atmospheric energy and turn it into some sort of superweapon, no secret autopsies.

In other words, a straightforward cover story using a common object to conceal a classified one. Just like when people in the Manhattan Project had to refer to uranium in documents, they called it “copper.”

Rules #2 and #4 folks. The pieces fit together and the misdirection is just enough to hide the real story.

And lest we forget

Somebody talked.

Note: Somebody talked 40+ years later, after it was declassified.

I was there in early '44. Never heard of it being called “copper.” Uranium was referred to as green salt, sometimes as “Tuballoy” (tube alloy) and other appelations.
When asked what we were making, one answer was “sea green paint” to coat ‘windows’ of enemy sub periscopes when they would break water. So then the capt. would order the sub upward to where the ack ack guns could shoot then down!

Dude. You…

Tell us a story, unca Spingears! Was Feynman as cool as he comes off in his books, or was he a bit of a dick? What did the ‘computers’ think of the whole project? What was it like being stuffed to East Hicksville, NM and ordered not to talk to people? Did anyone go off the reservation?

Somebody always talks?

Three can keep a secret if two are dead.

Yeah, but it’s been centuries and we still can’t crack the Illuminati or the Masons. :wink:

spingears Not only do I retract in light of your first-hand experience, I second E-Sabbath’s request. Tell some stories, please.

-No comment re: Feynmam, didn’t know him. Did know one big self important scientist, who was an excellent scientist, BUT was the soutbound end of a north bound horse in his dealings with anyone not a well known scientist, in his estimation. He had no use at all for engineers.

I was at a 'different site where we could come and go on rare occassions. Work rotating shifts of seven consecutive days starting at 3:00 PM on Mon. Tues. off, work 7 day shifts, Wed, off. 7 night shifts, Thurs. off. And so it goes till you get off night shift at 7:00 AM on Friday, have the rest of the day to sleep, rest up, or ride a bus 150 t0 300 miles to get home late Friday night or by noon on Sat. Sun. noon it’s back on a bus to get back to go to work at 3:00 PM on Mon.

The standrd answer to questions about what we were doing was "I don’t know, I just ‘do’ what I am told.

Computers?? What computers? The biggest and best anyone had was a 20" “K & E Log Log Duplex Trig. or Decitrig Slide Rule.”
Offices had “Comptometers” for adding/subtracting acconting purposes.

Or did you mean the persons doing the computing? They used abacuses! :smiley:

Sometime ask about high vacuum, silver wiring, cubicles & operators, silver soldering, etc. etc.

RE: the “silver wiring”: no doubt this was the "calutron’ machine for enriching/separating the uranium isotopes. i heard that it never worked properly-and the silver wiring was used because copper was too scarce. Anyway, what became of the calutron?

;j :smiley: I have frequently read or heard the rantings of anti-semitic bigots who tell me that Jews run the whole world and have a super-developed conspiracy that controls everything and everybody. Since my name is French, most of these people do not realize that I have Jewish relatives in my family.

But let us assume for a second that such an all-powerful hidden Jewish world government could and does exist. Surely they would want to keep the rest of us from knowing the truth? Surely they would want to quickly and efficiently silence anyone who becomes wise to their conspiracy before they alert the rest of us?

So how is it that neo-Nazis and other people warning us about the alleged conspiracy are not simply and quickly made to disappear? Surely a world-wide invisible and all-powerful Zionist government that controls all media and all local governments could arrange for these people to just die in an “accident” that is never reported in their controlled media? Surely they could make their books and pamphlets disappear or or never be published in the first place?

How is it that I can access web sites by these groups detailing all the alleged “evidence” for this world-wide Zionist conspiracy? Did this super-powerful hidden government forget to control the web???

When I meet one of these people, what I tell them is: "What about the Dutch monopoly on the moving industry? The entire Van Lines family (Mayflower, Allied, etc.) has a strangle-hold on the moving industry from coast to coast.! :smiley:

You’re forgetting just how subtle and clever The Conspiracy is. These guys are allowed and even encouraged to indulge themselves in all sorts of crazy shouting and then relegated to the lunatic fringe where they taint conspiracy theory with the smell of irrational fanaticism. They are even given funding through indirect channels, but only those who are obviously irrational and/or criminal receive this kind of backing. The news media are then manipulated to give them only marginal and unfavorable coverage. This discourages the rest of the sheep from taking an interest in conspiracy theory for fear of being associated with such riff-raff. It is quite astounding how clever we–uh, they are really are.

I did. I’ve often been curious about what the massed people who computed thought they were doing, and so on.

Seriously, nobody speculated at all?