Las Vegas: What happened is, in many ways, a miracle

[Johnny_L.A]

@RickJay

How is someone doing a good job miraculous?

I can think of one person who is relevant to this thread who, if he did a good job, it would be a miracle.

[Weisshund]

It’s a miracle more were not killed and injured
It’s a tragedy what he did not fall out of the window while breaking it

[Velocity]

@si_blakely

As I understand it, the Las Vegas police executed a response strategy that differs significantly from prior active shooter situations, and probably saved lives as they did so.

Traditionally, there would have been a perimeter established and cleared, and then SWAT would have moved in slowly and cautiously.

Evidence from other active shooter events indicate that one victim dies every 15 seconds, so the response has to be faster.

Las Vegas police officers in the vicinity formed an ad-hoc squad, and searched directly for the shooter without waiting for the SWAT team. Either their presence or the presence of a hotel security guard who was wounded through the door triggered the suicide of the shooter.

While the room itself was not breached for another hour, no further shooting was occurring during that period, and care did need to be taken to ensure that there were no explosives present.

Wonder if, once it became clear that a gunman was shooting victims from a window on a high floor of the hotel, if the Las Vegas police could have sent a couple of cops to go outside and shoot at the gunman directly, trying to send bullets through the hotel window itself?

Sure, it would be extremely dangerous for the cops - it’s tantamount to trying to take out a sniper while he has *you *in his cross hairs - but it would have been suppressing fire, and maybe even a chance of hitting Paddock outright, as opposed to having to get him from the inside of the hotel, having to possibly get through a barricade door in the process, etc.

[Lucas_Jackson]

@si_blakely

As I understand it, the Las Vegas police executed a response strategy that differs significantly from prior active shooter situations, and probably saved lives as they did so.

Traditionally, there would have been a perimeter established and cleared, and then SWAT would have moved in slowly and cautiously.

Evidence from other active shooter events indicate that one victim dies every 15 seconds, so the response has to be faster.

Las Vegas police officers in the vicinity formed an ad-hoc squad, and searched directly for the shooter without waiting for the SWAT team. Either their presence or the presence of a hotel security guard who was wounded through the door triggered the suicide of the shooter.

While the room itself was not breached for another hour, no further shooting was occurring during that period, and care did need to be taken to ensure that there were no explosives present.

Can you please provide a cite to any of this.

1. Cite that there have been other shooter tragedies of this magnitude like this on the strip.
2. Cite that the officers on the scene made a conscious effort to over-ride normal procedures.
3. Cite that even if 1 & 2 are correct that it saved lives.
4. And more importantly even if 1, 2 and 3 are correct that Trump actually knew any of it and if he did why didn’t he expound on it a bit.

You missed the point of my OP. You missed the part where I specifically did not blame the cops. You are working real hard to excuse Trump’s insensitive remarks… and failing.

[Folacin]

@Velocity

Wonder if, once it became clear that a gunman was shooting victims from a window on a high floor of the hotel, if the Las Vegas police could have sent a couple of cops to go outside and shoot at the gunman directly, trying to send bullets through the hotel window itself?

Shooting with what and at what? If they knew the right window, and they had weapons of range and accuracy (and the skill and nerve to use them while standing in the line of fire), maybe.

Otherwise, as the guest in the rooms immediately left, right, above and below the shooter (assuming they knew where to aim, otherwise expand the area by a bunch), I’m going to be a bit put out by bullets flying through my window from the street below.

[BigT]

A miracle is an event so stupendous that you’d think it must’ve been divine or supernatural intervention. More figuratively, it can just mean something you think was rather unlikely. But I can’t think of any meaning that fits people doing their job in a competent but average way.

I’d also argue Trump is being Trump and spinning things he doesn’t like. He seems to genuinely think he can call things that are not as though they are, and that reality will bend to fit him.

His way to deal with a tragedy is to deny there was a tragedy. Just like his way of dealing with not doing a good job at anything is to deny he did a bad job.

[Voyager]

A miracle would have occurred if the first time he pulled the trigger the weapon blew up and sent a piece of shrapnel right through his brain. N people dying instead of N+1 is not a miracle.

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

@scr4

I even miss Bush at this point.

Which one? Both?

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

@monstro

It’s obvious to me that Trump has never been in the position of providing comfort to someone, and he doesn’t have enough empathy to wing it convincingly.

About what you’d expect from a person for whom other people exist only as props for his ego and self-gratification.

[Little_Nemo]

If Trump is calling this a miracle, then isn’t he acknowledging that it could have been a lot worse? Instead of killing fifty-eight people, Paddock could have killed over a hundred. Maybe two hundred.

I suppose this could be the opening argument in a push for more gun control laws but I don’t think Trump plans on going in that direction.

So I’m going to put this down to another case of Trump going off script and rambling.

[kaylasdad99]

@RickJay

How is someone doing a good job miraculous? It sounds like what you would expect from a well trained police force in a large urban area.

The reason you hire people and train them is to they do a good job. It’s not “miraculous,” even in the figurative sense. I would think the President of a large country would know the meaning of common words.

In the normal course of things, absolutely.

As matters stand, it would be a miracle.

[Little_Nemo]

@RickJay

How is someone doing a good job miraculous?

Keep in mind this is Trump talking. To him, somebody being able to do their job well must seem like an accomplishment at the level of a miracle.