Sounds like another uptight, paranoid lawyer is in training. Just what the profession needs!
Yes, it is all about you.
In the extremely unlikely chance that anyone you are dealing with professionally ever asks you about this, you could score some points by simply saying, “Yeah, I did her but I dumped her cause she was a lousy lay.” (Just trying to help you score points in your chosen profession!)
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No, not at all.
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I don’t really care what other people in my graduate program do in their free time. If one of them posed for sexy pictures under her own name, I might think it was a somewhat unwise decision that would affect her chances of getting a job in the future, but I don’t see how it would have the slightest effect on me.
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Female.
IIRC, Playboy used to do a “Girls of the Ivy League” spread (and maybe still does). The Ivies are as prestigious as ever – I don’t think it hurt them in the slightest. I wouldn’t worry about this hurting the reputation of your school as far as jobs are concerned. The only thing it might possibly dent is BC’s reputation as a Catholic school, but even thereI think it’s a bit paranoid.
They aren’t going to waste time finding out your opinion of Banner Girl (she’s hot…end of discussion). They probably don’t even know she exists.
Character issues are yours, and to an extent, the company you keep. If you’re hanging out with guys named Louie “The Gun” and “Tire Iron Thomas”, they might be concerned. You’re not hanging out with this chick (are you?) so they don’t care.
It sound to me like you’re upset and you’re trying to find an objective basis for it.
Lighten up, this has nothing to do with you.
However, I still remember which girls did it from my class and…well, I know I thought it was skanky then but I’m not sure I care anymore.
Time for some common sense.
1st, HSHP, I’m going to give you a break because maybe people are forgetting that you are in BOSTON – home to scads of people with all kinds of inherited Puritan tight-assed morals.
So it’s slightly possoble that if you’re interviewing in Boston in the next couple of weeks, maybe a first year associate doing a preliminary interview with you might mention it.
If so, I suggest, “I’d like to review her briefs, but I’ve never met her.”
Seriously, if a trivial thing like this actually DOES come up in interviews in Boston, my best advice is to get out of Boston. 'Cause that would mean Boston really sucks. It certainly wouldn’t come up anywhere else.
I am not from the Boston area but I do live here. I can barely find a coherent idea in the OP. I went to Tulane for undergraduate school. It is in New Orleans. You can only imagine what the student body did on their free time. I went to Dartmouth after that and we had a Girls of the Ivy League issue in Playboy while I was there.
Even assuming such behavior would make the person in question hell-spawn beyond all redemption, what does that have to do with anyone else? What kind of person is going to go over public nakedness and stripping in an interview?
More importantly, who cares and who is going to remember? I live in the Boston area and this is the first I heard of it.
The OP sounds like some bizarre form of self-centeredness that I am have trouble describing.
I’ve never heard of bar stool magazine and I’d never seen the issue nor had I heard anything about it.
I doubt that they will waste the time on the initial interview unless they are trying to get a read on your personality. I wouldn’t worry about it.
(1L checking in.)
I wouldn’t feel ticked at all - why should I? I really, really doubt that the bar association, or potential employers, are going to think this reflects upon me in any way, shape or form. Nor do I think that what this woman has done is in any way immoral - it’s her body, and if she wants to show it off for society’s enjoyment, I’d argue we’re all better off for it.
Even if you think this woman is behaving inappropriately/unprofessionally, though, you’d have to be incredibly small-minded to think this reflects upon anyone’s conduct other than the (ye gods, stunningly hot) woman in the photograph. I just can’t imagine I’d think of it as being my problem.
Oh, and I’m a dude.
I don’t know if this will mean anything, HSHP, since absolutely nobody is taking your side or seeing your point of view on this, but I’m with everybody else who says, in summary, “Nothing at all to do with you in any way shape or form, stop thinking about it or you’ll give yourself an ulcer for no rational reason at all.”
Boston area native, lawyer blahblahblah
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No
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Because some chick showing her tetas on a magazine has nothing to do with MY job prospects. To put it bluntly-job prospects immediately post-school are related to your grades and how much your career services office whores to bring people to campus. And even then, most people find jobs on their own. I was one of the very few that got a gig through a Career services posting.
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Female
If anything, it’s one less person to compete with. I don’t think her career is completely dead or anything, but in my experience law firms are leery of those that deviate from the monkey suit image. I had an acquaintance who graduated Order of the Coif and had a hard time landing positions because she wore a hijab (one of the interviewers during OCI expressly told her this was the reason she didn’t get the callback). Everyone would fall over themselves to give her the first interview because she was obviously first or second in the entire class, but back off for the 2nd one. And that’s for someone who is covering UP.
Nothing killed me more than annoying gunners (have you noticed they’re rarely as smart as they think? The real geniuses are the weird looking mutes) and the ones that spend every fifth second theorising what X event will do to the US News and Weekly Report rankings. I’m positive they’re all bound for an early grave.
Then again, one of our twitchiest once told me he thought I was clinically dead.
This is a key point. If Unreasonably Hot Law Student were engaging in anything illegal, and you were hanging with her, that might be a problem. But being a cover-girl is entirely legal. Even if she were your very best friend in the entire world, it wouldn’t be the least bit objectionable to the bar. (At least, I’m virtually certain it wouldn’t be.)
Just for fun, and because I’m a law student and this is my idea of fun, how’s this for an argument about how it might matter to the Pup?
Especially in a crowded legal market, like Boston’s, one of the hardest things to do is just get your name out there, exposed to the (legal) public’s eye. Most students do that by writing case notes for journals, clinical work, or so forth. This woman did it by taking off most of her clothes. By attaining a significant degree of prominence without much effort, she’s reduced the payoff for students doing it the old-fashioned way (remember, there’s no such thing as bad publicity.)
I don’t believe this is actually a good argument, but I think it’s close to the best that Happy Scrappy Hero Pup might muster.
OK, let’s sift through a few things here.
Did I find it unsettling? Yes.
Did I try to explain why? Yes.
However, I get the feeling that I tried too HARD to explain why, prompting a reaction from some of the forum that I see as overreaction, but is probably appropriate to the level of investment that an objective reader of my post would perceive in me.
On a level of unsettling, it’s like the time I broke a tooth into a few pieces. Some fell out right away, and some took a few days because they were still rooted. It was uncomfortable as a feeling because it was outside the range of feelings in my jaw that I was used to. If I tried to explain that feeling, it might take a while and someone might think that it was more debilitating to me than it WAS, and might say, “suck it up, pansy.” Which is I think what’s happening here.
I get that I might be a little too touchy about such things. I’ve been told that before. But let’s go easy on the accusations of self-centeredness based ona few lines of type.
I am still curious as to how the unsettledness factor shakes out. So I’d like people to keep answering my questions. But do so in context, please; you don’t know me from a hole in the wall and to psychoanalyze me based on this is either futile or stupid or both.
But… what the hottie did is not about you. At all. Any effort to make it about you is, by definition, self-centered.
Worth repeating. I’m sure that over the course of your three years, another student will do something illegal or just plain stupid (cheating in class, blowing off an internship) and they will make your school look real stupid. Save your disdain for that student.
No, that’s not it at all. She’s not taking any jobs away from me- she’s a 1L. Her job search and mine won’t overlap.
It’s more along the lines of “Nobody likes it when a guy who hangs out with you all the time feels up the waitress in your favorite diner.” The diner people know it wasn’t you, but they still look at you funny because he’s one of yours. That’s all.
Oh, and Mr. Excellent I submit to you that there IS such a thing as bad publicity.
Not true. What she did is not about me in your opinion.
If, objectively speaking, it really ISN’T about me, and I know that it’s not about me, then THAT is self-centered.
If I thought it was about me and acted this way, and then found out that it objectively was not about me, and continued to act as though it were, that would also be self-centered.
If, however, as is the case here, I thought it was about me and acted this way, and then found out that it objectively was not about me, and changed my views and actions accordingly, then there is no self-centeredness at all.
So I submit to you that I am self-centeredness-free by any objective standard.
Furthermore, I have to dissent from the opinion of my brethren that the woman in question is hot. However, that’s entirely subjective and I recognize my minority status in that regard.
- No. None of my beeswax. The most vehement opinion I think I could muster over anything like this is, “Cover Girl over there needs a sandwich.” That would probably remind me that I didn’t eat lunch today, and I would then forget the incident entirely.
- It’s her body and what she does with it in photos does not concern me in the slightest. Furthermore, I have a hard time believing that anyone would mention her to you at all in a job interview, unless you were waiting in the outer office with some other applicant who happens to know where you went to school and says, “Hey, did you know that really hot girl who posed in her underwear that one time?” If you really don’t, you say no, and the conversation moves on.
- Female.
I could be biased by coming from the social sciences, where there’s not nearly so much money on the line when you go looking for a job. On the other hand, I’ve posed nude and near-nude for photos before, and when someone asked me what I thought would happen if some student in one of my classes got a hold of the photos, I thought a minute and said, “I imagine undergrad enrollment in my classes would go up.” 