Lawyer asking someone to recant an email published by unknown party

<insert usual disclaimers about not actually seeking legal advice, and that no person posting to this board intends to represent himself or herself as counsel>

Someone in my family has been sent a certified letter by a lawyer representing a retail establishment. The letter asks my relative (whom I shall hereafter refer to as “D” for simplicity of typing) to recant something posted to a website.

We’ve talked to several people we regard as more knowledgeable than ourselves about legal issues, specifically libel, since that seems to be what the lawyer is implying (although, going from memory, I don’t recall actually seeing that word in the letter). The answers have been all over the map, so I’m now quite confused.

We’ve also consulted, by talking on the phone for a bit, with a few lawyers. So far the most coherent answer we’ve received was “libel cases are so rare, I don’t feel comfortable handling one”…whatever that means.

We are prepared to hire a lawyer if necessary, but since it’s entirely possible that the purpose of the original letter is merely to cost us money, we’re reluctant to actually pony up big bucks unless we need to do so.

Let me get down to the specifics, without going into potentially actionable details.

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[li]The complaint seems to center on a web page containing an email D sent to some people D knows. D’s email itself is critical of specific things witnessed at the retail establishment, which I know for a fact to be true, as I was also present.[/li][li]The email also contains some general indictments of the industry that do NOT specifically mention the complaining retail establishment. It is for THESE general indictments that the lawyer expressly asked D to apologize (and publish an apology as well) even though the specific comments cited in the lawyer’s letter do not contain the name of the retail establishment. Conspicuously absent is a any request to recant the actual event D did describe witnessing at the retailer.[/li][li]The letter does not mention any specific charge, lawsuit, court date, or subpoena; it simply seems to peremptorily demand that D publish a retraction of specific comments.[/li][li]The lawyer specifically takes D to task for “publishing” on the Internet.[/li][/ul]

D does not precisely recall the entire original email word-for-word, as it has been nearly a year; it’s possible that the version the lawyer sent us (as an attachment to his letter) has been altered to make D look bad, but it’s also possibly strictly accurate, and I know D shouldn’t count on it being inaccurate.

Now see, from my point of view, here’s the thing:

D did NOT publish said email anywhere, unless clicking “send” to several private individuals counts as “publishing on the Internet.” Instead, D sent the email to acquiantances.

The email appears on the website in question with an anonymous introduction saying “A friend sent this to me, and I know I’m probably going to get in trouble for posting it, but…” and then has D’s email, including D’s real name and email address[ul]
[li]Expectation of privacy. Is an email like a snail-mail letter? A conversation? Can D be blamed for “publishing” for merely sending something to specific people?[/li][li]How do they know it was D? All they have is a name, which other people likely share. There’s an email address, but how did the lawyer match it up to D? Did D’s ISP give D up? Or is the lawyer guessing, waiting for D to make an incriminating reply?[/li][li]Why can the retailer demand D recant the statements NOT made about the retailer? Do they have grounds to tell D not to speak against the industry in general? In terms of legal action, aren’t they limited to litigating only statements actually made about their firm?[/li][li]Why does the letter not list consequences? There’s no subpoena, no court date, no threat, no charge, no “or else”. Just words to the effect of “Client requires you to apologize and to publish an apology.” Is this simple scare tactics?[/li][li]Where is the burden of proof? Since D did not actually publish anything, wouldn’t the burden of proof lie on the retailer to prove that D did publish, that the statements in question indeed refer to the retailer (since the specific ones D is asked to recant do NOT mention the retailer’s name, remember), to defend hoiw the lawyer found D in the first place, and to establish that the comments that do mention the retailer are untrue? If I recall, you are allowed to publish statements that are factually true, even if negative. Is the burden of proof on D for anything here?[/li][/ul]

Given all this, is it possible for D to simply ignore the letter? (I’m guessing not).

Speaking of that, since the lawyer sent it certified…is it advisable, or even possible, for D to ignore future certified letters from the lawyer? Can D look at a certified letter the postman brings, and having seen whom it’s from, refuse to take custody of the letter and refuse to sign? I don’t think the Post Office functions as a de facto process server.

Anyway, we’re in over our heads here – which is probably the intent of the whole thing. On the face of it, it seems to me, D could legally just say “I did not publish that, don’t know who did (true, by the way), and forget the details of the original email – have a very excellent day”. The lawyer would then have to escalate to a civil suit for libel, I’m guessing, or drop the matter?

But I don’t think D wants to be sued, so this would be just a bluff on D’s part.

Can any one of you worthies shed any light on this difficulty?

Sailboat

I am not a lawyer, but have worked for law firms for many years.

It sounds to me like you have received a variation of a simple Cease and Desist letter. At the film studio I worked at, we used to send hundreds of those to small businesses using trademarked and copyrighted names. However, these were examples of people stealing copyrighted and trademarked names and using them for their businesses.

In your case, I think you don’t have a lot to worry about and wouldn’t lose any sleep.

If you want to be safe, you could remove the item that is the center of the complaint.

Or, you could write a disclaimer at the top of your website saying, in effect, that opinions expressed here are purely personal opinions and should be considered as such.

Clearly, someone is trying to rattle your cage, and it appears they have been successful.

The burden of proof in any libel case is on the person suing for libel. They have to show that you are the cause of any financial or personal harm. This is not particularly easy to prove and few lawyers would even bother taking the case to court, knowing it is nearly impossible to win.

Again, I am not a lawyer, so this information is simply what I have gleaned over the years.

Personally, I would fire back and put their letter on the website and defy the asshole to prove what I said was incorrect…but that is just me.

DMark: I could be wrong, but doesn’t the OP indicate they didn’t post the letter, and therefore don’t have access to the website?
If the site is anything like the SDMB, perhaps the poster doesn’t even have this ability in the first place.

It’s kinda too bad most people can’t retaliate against lame lawsuits.

If I’m reading the OP correctly, the letter was posted (without the author’s permission) on a website that the author has no ownership or control over.

I doubt very much that anything will come of this, but IANAL.

Yeah…guess I should have read the OP more closely - which proves that I am indeed not a lawyer!

However, if there is a preface “a friend sent me this”…then obviously there was no intent by the author to post this where the general public could see it, and it was a personal letter/email that was posted without his/her consent.

In any case, I would still ignore the threatening letter and forget the whole thing. They would be hard pressed to prove the letter wasn’t altered, or that you even, in fact, were the author. And that preface proves you were not responsible for putting the letter out there. Sounds to me like an attorney on retainer just followed the client’s orders and fired off a letter to scare the bejesus out of ya.

Again…as has been woefully pr oven in this short thread, I am not a lawyer.

Woah that is totally fucked up. I’m dying to know who this retail establishment is and what the incident witnessed is! But I am sure you could not tell us here…

Anyway obviously IANAL but I seriously doubt there is any legal action they could take. I would be so furious that they even tried to threaten/scare D that I would respond and say that lacking any evidence that D wrote the e-mail, or that D “published” it to this internet site, or that what was said was untrue or libelous, to stop any further harassment or face a suit for harassment!!

Then you can wipe your ass with the letter and move on. In every jurisdiction I have ever read, seen, or even heard about, truth is an absolute defense against a charge of libel. The burden of proving the truth of the statement rests on the defendant, but with a witness, meaning yourself, it should be easier. Here is Texas’ Statute on the truth defense against libel.

Enjoy,
Steven

I can’t imagine they have any legal recourse against her. Look at all the Pit rants that specifically point out businesses and rant about their shitty service or getting ripped off. Are those actionable?

I’d personally do some checking and see if the letter even came from a real lawyer.

This doesn’t really look it’ll develop into a problem.
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[li]Lawyer’s make their living writing letters like this to scare people off. It does not mean anything until they threaten particular actions. Sending the letter makes the client happy and may intimidate you, but is does not necessarily have any legal bearing.[/li][li]If the facts are true, D is in the clear, as mentioned.[/li][li]If this is D’s opinion, it’s not libel, since nothing is being presented as fact. Libel (and slander) involves a statement contrary to fact. You can say “Joe makes me think of a child molester” and be safe, but if you say “Joe is a child molester,” then it’s potentially libel.[/li][li]I’m not sure, but there’s a good chance the store could be considered a “public figure.” They have to prove a higher standard: not only is the statement untrue, but that you >knew< it was untrue. [/li][li]D did not post the message to the board. Whoever did post it is guilty of copyright violation. This allows you to sue them to take it down if you have to, but I doubt it’ll come to that.[/li][/ol]

Yeah, in my experience in publishing the simple truth of ‘The truth can NOT be libel’ rings forth a lot. If you know for a fact that person X is a Nazi who rapes aardvarks while performing satanic rituals with a picture of Clarence Darrow naked tattooed on his chest and you say that person X is SOL.

As for the rest I’d say you’re covered. You expressed an opinion and made statements of fact. Fuck it.

My best, non-lawyerly, guess is that someone saw what you’d written, got pissed off and called a lawyer they have on retainer and you got sent a nastygram. Happens all the time.

Remember, the purpose of a lawyer is NOT justice but rather the accomplishments of a clients wishes. If his client wants ‘D’ to jump up and down on Main Street in a chicken suit the lawyer will attempt to accomplish that.

I am a lawyer, not yours, and likely not licensed in the jurisdiction you’re in. Which means I have no idea what the law is in your jurisdiction (hell, I don’t even know what your jurisdiction is). Although you may be tempted to think that what follows is less foolish than some other posts in this thread, really, it isn’t. Read on at your own peril.

Okay, but I like my disclaimer better.

I agree with DMark that this sounds like a standard cease and desist letter, except for the interesting thing that it really isn’t asking for some kind of ceasing or desisting. It’s essentially asking D to disavow what’s on the website. Frankly, how that advances anyone’s ball, I don’t know.

In legal parlance, “publication” simply means putting the word out there. I “publish” a bit of libel when I tell my friend Bob that Joe is stinky. Whether I tell Bob verbally, in an email, or by skywriting is irrelevant: the act of saying the supposedly libelous statement is publication.

As a lawyer, I would call this “publication.” I could quibble whether this is publication on the internet or publication over the internet, but I really couldn’t quibble over the fact of publication.

Yep. Since when did we have an expectation of privacy in things we say to other people? Hast thou no friends that talk amongst themselves about others in the group?

Possibly a lucky guess. Have you tried googling D’s name to see what comes up? I doubt the lawyer went to the ISP – how would he get the info without a pending case for which he could issue a subpoena? I think it’s either google-fu or guessery.

First, I can demand that you do anything I want. Doesn’t mean I have a leg to stand on.

Maybe. Did the letter list any legal authority. I.e., did it say: “One may not publish statements on the internet that bring a company or industry into disrepute. See Mitchelson v. Sandworth Plumbing Co., 45 N.E. 2d 345, 352 (N.Y. 1966).”?

Burden of proof generally is on the plaintiff. I don’t know what claims this lawyer is threatening, but (because D published the comment) there might be some way to make out libel.

Sure. Why not? Is there some threat attached to the letter?

I’m not going to offer you legal advice here, other than to say: sometimes yes, sometimes no. Generally, service of process must be personal – i.e., handed to D by a registered process server. There are ways around that that involve the mail, and ignoring the mail could open D up to additional costs in any eventual lawsuit. Which is to say – I have no opinion on the matter, other than to say that I disagree with your conclusion.

Frankly, without knowing more of the facts (or what law applies), no. Sorry.

Nitpick (I’m not a lawyer, but was given a few strong lessons on libel during my days in newspapers and magazines): I think verbally is the one case listed where it’s not libel. It’s slander.

You’re correct, but the underlying point was the important bit.

Publication, when it comes to libel/slander (and probably a bunch of other legal-type stuff too), doesn’t carry the same meaning as it normally does when people use it. All it means, basically, is “communicate to a third party.”

(I’m a journalist, not a lawyer)

Yes. Defamation comes in two flavors: libel (written) and slander (spoken). I used the term libel rather than confusing the issue with labels that, really, don’t matter in this context. But you are correct: libel is not slander, but both are defamation, with the same general elements, generally differing only in the form of publication.

See also my disclaimer supra, wherein I disavowed any actual legal knowledge pertinent to the OP. :wink:

I’d also like to point out a web site set up expressly to expose companies sending out nasty lawyer-grams to people who cant afford large legal bills, simply to silence criticism:

www.chillingeffects.org

They will have the info/resources to help you, and I am sure they would be very interested in your experiences. Take a look at the section asking you to input your C&D into the database here.

Because if you cant outspend the big companies on legal teams, the only way to make them stop being bullies is bad PR.

Speaking for Florida, a demand for retraction is required by statute prior to bringing suit for slander or libel. You have to give 5 days lead time before you can file. If the retraction is published, damages will be limited to actual damages only, which can absolve liability altogether since they’re a bitch to prove in these situations.

Sailboat: I’m not your lawyer and I’m not giving you legal advice. If your jurisdiction has a law like this, it probably means that letter isn’t a cease and desist, rather it’s just a formality they are going through prior to suing. While truth is the best defense against libel, you might consider seeking a specialist in your area. Unfortunately, defamation specialists don’t grow on trees. Good luck to your friend.

That certainly would advance the ball.

I echo the excellent suggestion to talk to a lawyer. Post D’s location (closest major city is good) and I may be able to point you to low-cost or free consultation. You’re looking for a First Amendment lawyer, basically; you could also consider calling your local law school and trying to find a professor there. If your situation is interesting enough, you could get free help that way as well.

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