Lawyers: how busy was your first year of a JD?

Or second, or third, for that matter! I’m starting up this September, and everything I’ve been told by lawyer friends, or friends who just graduated, is that the workload behooves you treating it like a FT job. Somewhere in the area of forty hours a week, doing diligent readings and writings, all to prepare for that all encompassing 100% final exam…shudder. I’d like to believe I have an edge on undergrads or CEGEP kids coming in, since I had more readings and work in my MA than I did in my BA. But this sounds like a bigger workload still, so I’m bracing for impact.

But I don’t wanna complain about the workload, that’s not what I’m all about. Rather, I’m concerned about my extra curricular activities. Off the top of my head, between my volunteer duties, choir practice, sports and music lessons, 10-15 hours a week are devoted to things which aren’t school (I’m estimating that I practice the piano and organ an hour a week, each, which is sad in that it’s probably an overestimate, haha). Add to this, I’ve been contemplating asking my girlfriend to move in, which will probably also change the dynamic of my week to week schedule.

I’ve prioritized all my activities in order of importance to me, and I’m just wondering how much time the rest of you had for non-school…stuff. I understand that I’ll need to make time to network/socialize and all that jazz, but I’d like to keep my ordinary routine as intact as humanly possible without sacrificing my academic performance.

Any thoughts, opinions, insights or off color bits of humor are appreciated. :slight_smile:

Evil Grin

I’m a third year law student, graduating next month. :cool:

Most law students with GPAs above a 3.0 get about one day off a week. The other days they study about 4-6 hours each day.

This doesn’t go for everyone. Maybe you’re the exception. However, I doubt you’ll still be doing anything musical in your second year of law school. That’s when everyone starts looking for law related activities to add to their resumes.

You’ll have more work in your second year than you will in your first. I would put all your effort into making sure you can handle the first year workload. Because if you can’t, then your second year will be miserable.

The grades are curved and everyone is as smart as everyone else. That means it all comes down to endurance and dedication. If you’re disciplined enough to devote 40-50 hours a week to law school then you’ll do better than everyone else.

You have six hours per day of really first rate brain work. Use them all studying and for class. Usually you will have to go beyond that because the time demands of being a law student exceed eight hours a day in my opinion.

Thanks! That’s more or less what my friend in the same boat as you told me. IMHO, I’m smarter and cleverer than he is, but his work ethic far outstrips mine, no contest. So I’m concerned. Our other buddy is smarter than both of us and is the laziest procrastinator of the three of us, and he got a 174 on his LSAT, took a scholarship from a school in California, and somehow managed to develop actual study habits. I’m hoping this happens for me.

Really am concerned about giving up my music. That’s what my undergraduate and grad degrees were in. I’m content with the fact that it won’t be my career, but that doesn’t mean I want to completely chuck it out the window, either. Anyways, only time will tell!

Roughly $120,000 tuition and no marketable undergraduate degree to fall back on. Both these things will motivate you to study. I promise. :slight_smile:

Good luck!

1L was fairly brutal but I am grades-oriented.

I live in Canada, so I’m paying a fraction of what you are! But still, it’s a hell of a time investment! :smiley:

I am in Canada too. And I am a lawyer.

Your articling year will give you a good opportunity to “shop around,” and give you a good idea of where you want to be. Writing the bar is horrid, but hopefully, your lawyers will help with tips and such.

It is a big time investment, but if I can help, I will. What province will you be practicing in?

Ontario! :slight_smile:

Also, I was told by the guy who ran our LSAT prep course that the Bar exam had a 99% pass rate, and was open book…is it horrid everywhere but Onatrio? :confused:

I haven’t gone to law school in Canada so I really can’t comment. I understand there are some very significant differences from the US. However, for me the idea of outside hobbies was a… non-starter. I had to maintain an average that placed me in the top 25% of my class in order to keep my academic scholarship.

Mostly, you’re just slow in the beginning. Slow to understand what’s important, slow to read cases. As you go on you’ll become much, much more efficient than you are your first semester. Unfortunately, more things creep in to suck up your time - law review, clinical practice, externships, etc. (do they have these things at Canadian law schools?)

I found the workload less demanding than my undergraduate education. Most law students, from second year on, had at least a part time job. You do have to put some time in, but it’s not overwhelming.

I agree with this. First semester is a good time to figure out what is expected of you, and learn what it’s all about. Even in my first year, however, I had more “free time” than I do now, 20 years later, with a demanding job and children.

Clinics are time consuming (usually third year though) but IMO, are the best use of your time imaginable. I had no interest whatsoever in law review, but I suppose it looks good on a resume.

One of my good friends is a musician and also currently a lawyer who graduated in the last five years. He kept us his music throughout law school, playing in numerous bands and also giving lessons every weekend. (He’s also a very active community theater actor). He has amazing time management skills and I’m not sure if he ever sleeps. So it is possible, you just have to be very organized with your time. Good luck! I would try to make time for your music, as it can be a good stress release and law school is full of stress.

Law review, yes, and clinical practice if the school has a legal clinic; but any sort of externship would come during the articling year. This is like an apprenticeship year, during which you work under the supervision of a lawyer, while studying for, and eventually writing, the bar. Still, many law students seek out and get summer jobs in law firms.

It will be horrid even in Ontario, antonio107. Don’t get your hopes up as regards open-book exams. Law school exams (and the bar exam) are unlike any other exam you’ve ever taken. “Know your material thoroughly, regardless of what materials you are allowed in the exam room” is the best advice I can give here.

Duly noted! I’ve already had the crap pre-scared out of me, so I’ll be running nice and light when I get there in September!

Congratulations, antonio107. I hope you enjoy law school, and eventually the practice of law, as much as many of us have.

There’s very good advice from The Second Stone re only being able to do first class brain work for so many hours per day, from Hello Again re new students being slow to understand what’s important and slow to read cases, and from Spoons re knowing your materials thoroughly.

The trick is to learn what you need to learn in the clear-thinking time you have available. To do this, you’ll have to first figure out how to speed up your understanding and reading, which means learning what to focus on, and what to skip past, so that you don’t get lost in the forest due to all the trees. Consider picking up simple, well written texts that provide easily understood overviews – for example, the various Ontario Bar Admission reference materials (hopefully your law library or the Great Library at Osgoode will have some), or texts from Irwin’s “Essentials of Canadian Law” series (those little purple things at Chapters). If you read through these sorts of overview texts in the summer at your leisure, it will help orient you, and thereby accelerate your learning to sift through rather large piles of case law to quickly find the kernels that you need to know. Once you are oriented, the studying is a lot easier and a lot less time consuming. I expect that you will hear of law students saying that their first year was by far the hardest, and that it became easier each subsequent year. It’s not that the volume of material decreased each year, it is that most students learned how to deal with the volume more efficiently.

Getting back to The Second Stone’s point, I suggest that you consider what will make you as focused and clear thinking as possible for the few hours each day that you will be at your peak. I don’t know about you, but for myself, the ol’ noggin wanders off to points unknown after too many hours of intense focus.

Don’t fall into the trap of trying to mimic the youngsters who have yet to find themselves, and spend their time fretting over exams, or boasting over how many sleepless hours they have spent studying, or generally getting obsessed over everything and worked up over nothing. Find your own path that works for you.

Will studying late into the night once your brain is dragging help improve your performance for the next day’s classes and studies, or will it just grind you down for diminishing returns or even negative returns? How about spending your evenings with your family, friends, music and other activities? My guess is that would leave your mind in better condition for the next day’s academic work.

Think of law school as a job. You are in law for the long haul, so you must keep your life in balance. Your career is only part of your life. Put your relationship on hold and give up your music? Nuts to that. All that will accomplish is to burn yourself out and destroy your relationships.

In Ontario, law school and bar admissions are both designed to help you succeed as a student and later as a lawyer. I found the teachers at law school and the lawyers and judges during bar admissions to be bright, dedicated, and genuinely caring. I don’t have any figures at hand, but I recall that when it comes to legal education in Ontario, it is extremely difficult to get into law school, but once you make it in, then you will get through both law school and the bar course unless a huge anvil falls out of the sky and lands on you. The only people I know who did not make it through are those who did not have their lives in balance and cracked up. Keep you life in balance, including your relationships with family and friends, your various activities, including your music, and your studies, and you will thrive at law school.

Thanks, Muffin! I appreciate your kind words, and think that a trip to chapters is in order after my thesis defense!

I study best when the internet is off, and I’m not on Facebook, outlook express, or one of the 2-3 Vbulletin boards I frequent. So, now is a bad example of me procastinating. :smiley:

I’ll definitely try and learn more effective study habits, but I’ve always been pretty good. The problem was the classes where I seemed to do well, IN SPITE of how little I paid attention. The first two years of my undergrad I was clueless–couldn’t see the forest for the trees–but then something clicked. I’ve aced classes where I didn’t crack the textbook, study more than a dozen hours a semester, and yet I still found a way of synthesizing the lecture and doing well on the final. Even for “hard” courses outside of my major, like Latin, Roman history, Economics, were ok for me.

But like others said, since everyone else coming in is also a hotshot who graduated Magna Cum Laude, the only real edge I have is my master’s degree. I’m still bracing for impact. I was fortunate in that, for the second round of my applications, in order to make an impressive personal statement, I got volunteer work with a friend writing up case summaries for domestic abuse cases and torts. It was good work, again, synthesizing, and learning to can my dissertationese and write normally and succinctly; I’ve had two different law school grad friends, twenty years apart, tell me that Lord Devlin is apparently the model of how everything I write should look like. :smiley:

Thanks again!

It is not horrid in Ontario. All the Ontario bar exams do is check to see if you know the basics. There are no complicated five variable trick questions based on your ability to predict what the examiner had for breakfast. It takes creativity and determination to flunk a bar exam in Ontario. If you know your material, the bar exams will not be difficult, and since you will have had several years of law school and many months of articling, you will know your material, particularly if you start this summer by getting your hands on the various Bar Admissions / Licensing Examination Reference Materials and using them as your guides to your various core subjects through law school.

When I prepared to write the bar exams, a group of us met regularly with local lawyers and judges to learn what’s what. This helped ensure that we really did know what we needed to know, and just as importantly, introduced us to members of the local bench and bar. It made the transition from student to practitioner smooth and enjoyable, and opened a lot of doors that have remained open over the years. I highly recommend that you consider doing something similar when your time comes, for integrating into the practising community is a very important step.

I have it on good authority that the ever readable Spoons was a technical writer in his past life. Come to think of it, so was I. “Keep it simple, stupid!” should be the mantra of all legal writers.

Have fun with your defense.