You betcha. That’s how the federal laws recognize it, no matter what the states think. The feds will even go bust medical marijuana patients that the states won’t touch. Marijuana still has no approved medical use DESPITE the fact that they have THC pills (Marinol) ON THE MARKET! These pills are, of course, pretty much useless for
those with nausea who can’t get the pills down. Users also complain that they are simply too powerful. The pills get them too high to function, unlike regular pot. Perhaps some of the other chemicals in marijuana mute THC’s effects somewhat. Nobody knows.
First I would like to thank you all for commenting!!
I know now that the gov. views marijuana as a iilict drug with no medical value but if this is the case then they should run tests to prove me wrong .
Ok, I was not finished so I must continue.
I personally has seen too much suffering going on with terminally ill people to not say somthing. I think that to many politicos would be red faced if they actually tested marijuana for med.useage.
If they were right I would be the first to admit I was wrong. (But I truely don’t think so.) I agree leagalization would most certainly lead to more usage but like with anything it all boils down to personal responsibility. If you can’t hold a job because you can’t get off the pot (joke)-or bottle then you shouldn’t use. I know tons of people who don’t drink or even smoke cigarettes that smoke pot on the weekends. cigarettes kill more users than almost anything combined. (it’s almost a guarentee).
I just wanted to respond to the comment on eating disorders.
I think that along with intensive therapy some cases may benifit from marijuana useage.
I also wanted to make a quick comment about the synthethic drug with similar effects as marijana. I read somwhere that indeed most people complain that it is too strong.
2.)If you use the real stuff only a small amount of thc enters your body for the narco effects.
3.)marijuana is 100% natual.
4.)this is an assumtion so please be nice.
I am almost positive that synthetic drugs have done moreterminally ill patients in faster then any REAL marijuana ever could.
The objection is how this would look. It would degrade our proud country to allow prostitutes hanging around on the street corners in broad daylight wiggling their bodies at passing businessmen (Amsterdam is the butt of too many jokes to list) ; likewise would it degrade our country to legalize a dangerous substance such as marijuana.
---------------------------------------------It seems to me that what you’re saying is that it should be illegal because you think it’s icky.
News flash, NightRabbit: The government is not here to fine-tune society to your personal tastes.
Here’s what anti-drug laws are really creating:
Addicts who want to quit, but who don’t seek treatment for fear of being prosecuted.
Dealers who focus on the youth market and don’t take ‘no’ for an answer.(When you’re breaking the law no matter who you sell to, there’s no reason not to sell to kids)
Billions of dollars spent each year on fighting a war we’re never going to win - money that could be better spent on drug treatment and education, with plenty left over.
Prison overcrowding - A large percentage of inmates are nonviolent offenders, many of which are drug users.
As for bodily harm, one out of every three cigarrette smokers dies from a smoking related disease, and yet nobody seems to favor banning tobacco. Alcohol is responsible for almost half of all serious car accidents as well as many cases of domestic violence, bar fights, rowdy behavior, and outright stupidity, and yet we recognize Prohibition as a complete disaster. Marijuana doesn’t even compare. Plus, harm to one’s self is not a valid reason to outlaw anything. The government is here to protect, not to babysit.
If marijuana is legalized, usage will certainly go up.
There was an earlier thread called “Would You Toke if it Were Legal?”. From what I read, the general consensus was that those who don’t toke wouldn’t do it if it were legal. Usage might appear to increase due to people using it more openly and not being afraid to admit it, but actual usage would most likely not change much.
Life is a tragedy for those who feel and a comedy for those who think.
I’m not getting involved here, I’m just reminding everyone that marijuana’s “medical effects” are available in other, legal drugs. And to say that I agree with NightRabbit 100%, and that he was not saying that he opposed legalization because he found it “icky.” Like myself, he has a serious problem with making legal an illegal substance that we know to be harmful, and to serve no individual positive effect that cannot be reached through other means. If you guys don’t have a problem with making such substances legal, then continue your campaign. Is my decision based on morals? I suppose. Am I trying to force my morals upon others? No. I don’t care if you share my morals or not, but personally I cannot support a measure that would legalize a substance like this.
And that’s all I have to say here; I don’t want to get involved in this discussion again.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” -Winston Churchill
I am sick of these marijuana rights advocates spouting all of these statistics, usually in this manner…
IT HELLPS PEPEL FIX THEYRE EYES! I CAN MAKE A SHORT OUT OF IT! LAWS R BAD! WHERE AR MY CHEETOS?
Just admit it, please. You want pot to be legal because you want to smoke it for totally recreational reasons. Period.
There is nothing wrong with this, but quit trying to be something that you’re not.
Yer pal,
Satan
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TIME ELAPSED SINCE I QUIT SMOKING:
Six days, 19 hours, 0 minutes and 42 seconds.
271 cigarettes not smoked, saving $33.96.
Life saved: 22 hours, 35 minutes.
YEAH! what RoboDude said!
He is my friend. And he is right!
~Curtis
I am NOT a sock puppet
im with Satan
Rousseau:
We shouldn’t make it legal because it’s an illegal substance? Gee, where do come up with these wonderful arguments?
How so? Okay, there are health risks, but here some other substances with health risks:
- Tobacco
- Alcohol
- Saturated Fat
- Sodium
Are you claiming that marijuana is harmful on a higher order than these substances?
If there aren’t any positive effects, why are people using marijuana? If its positive effects can be achieved through other means, then why don’t people pursue those other means? People aren’t stupid. If there were a way to achieve the same results as marijuana without using marijuana, people would use that method. The fact that people don’t proves that there is no such method.
Re: marijuana and eating disorders:
Marijuana may be a stop gap measure against eating disorders, but it isn’t going to cure them any more than a blood transfusion is going to solve the root problems of someone who has slit their wrists.
P.S. Is this what they meant when they said that There’s Something About Mary?
Ah, duh.
Just putting my 2sense in.
Curtis C. Cleveland… Proud to be American!
An impressive quote coming from someone who openly admits he knows nothing about medical marijuana. I guess he also assumes that all these cancer and AIDS patients spending their final days on earth campaigning for medical marijuana are just doing it because they like the buzz.
Yes, I want to see pot legalized for recreational reasons. That doesn’t change the fact that there are people suffering needlessly. I think the needs of these people need to be addressed before the issue
of my recreational use comes up.
A couple of years ago the U.S. government commissioned a study on medical marijuana. The results were overwhelmingly positive. You may remember seeing them in the paper. Government’s response? Some grumbles and vague hints of “more research.” In ten years or so they’ll commission another study which will show the same damn thing and the process will being anew.
speaking of “Mary”
The Pope and Fundamurver die on the same day.
But theres a mix up see, the pope goes to hell and Fundamurver goes to heaven. But it gets fixed really quickly.
So on the elevator from hell to heaven, the Pope sees Fundamurver on the elevator from heaven to hell.
So the pope sez to Fundamuver, the Pope sez;
“I can’t wait to meet the Virgin Mary”
So Fundamurver sez; “Too late”
“I shot the sherrif, I shot the deputy too. No, it wasn’t in self defense. They both looked at me cockeyed so I capped 'em. Then I shot the mayor, then the firechief, decapitated the librarian, impaled the dog catcher, used a spoon to remove the groundskeepers eyes and sent the leader of the local KKK in full KKK uniform to downtown Manhattan. Then I made sweet love to the sexy 18 yr old intern, and it was all good.”
I have little problem with marijuana being used for medical reasons. That is, after all, what drugs are most often intended for. That’s why they are manufactured, and usually they do a good job of it. Far be it from me to not allow a person suffering painfully from cancer go without available treatment.
But for recreational use, no thanks. That should not be dicked with, leave them illegal. Too dangerous, in my eyes.
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Ryan, I addressed that question in the Pit thread from a couple of weeks ago (and I addressed it again and again until I just decided to ignore neutron star). If you check that thread you’ll find the answer to your (presumably rhetorical) question, and you’ll also find that neutron star’s assertion that I “openly admit that I know nothing about medical marijuana” is an exaggeration (I said that I’m not sure exactly how it works on glaucoma…she exaggerates this to compensate for the relative lack of substance in her argument).
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” -Winston Churchill
She? Ummmm, okay.
This is what Rousseau said in the Pit thread :
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perhaps except for Mary Jane’s Mysterious Glaucoma Remedy…I’m not sure I have my facts straight about that
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Take that any way you want. I take it to mean he doesn’t know anything about medical marijuana since he’s unfamiliar with the facts about its most common use.
His answer is that these things are just too ingrained in our culture! I pointed out that 50% of people try pot before they finish high school and asked if that was ingrained enough for him. He didn’t answer me.
See, arguing with Rousseau on this subject is beyond pointless. Compare anything to the drug war and he’ll roll his eyes and pronounce the comparisons invalid for some minor, unrelated difference in the objects of comparison. Pointing out successful drug policy in Holland doesn’t work because Rousseau apparently believes that since Holland doesn’t have as many people, drug laws will have different effects. Even if you compare one tiny aspect of the drug war with something like slavery or prohibition, he pounces on the comparison, ready to tear it to shreads with poor logic, all the while insulting the logical skills, GPA, reading comprehension skills, etc, of the person who posted the comment in the first place.
As an arugementative strategy, it’s phony and transparent, Rousseau. I expect more out of you.
Wait, no I dont…
`They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety’
- Benjamin Franklin -
“That question”? “That thread”? Am I supposed to be a mind reader or something? Haven’t you ever heard of something called an antecedant?
A few years ago I had a cataract removed from my left eye. Minor operation, not life threatening, but my eye itched like hell. You know what eased the itching and got me high?
Yep.
Can aspirin do that?
Peace,
mangeorge
Teach your kids to bungee jump.
One them might have to cross a bridge someday.
Except for six weeks in boot camp circa 1977, I’ve pretty much smoked pot daily for 27 years. During my tenure as a die hard stoner, I’ve managed to raise three great kids in a wholesome envirnment , made a good living for my family, and I have no criminal record. Not even a parking ticket.
I know it’s not good for my health. Sure, it causes plenty of lung problems, but the government has shown that that is not criteria for making a substance illegal.
My father was a verbally and at times a physically abusive alcoholic. I take after him in many ways (other than being abusive and violent) and a credit my outcome to smoking dope. As an occasional beer drinker, pot is my favorite way to unwind. It’s hypocritical to condone alcohol and cigarette abuse (by legalization) and not treat dope in kind.
Can we make this the last dope thread for awhile?
Rousseau, I think I’ve mentioned this before, but I’ve yet to see you actually come up with a viable response.
Marijuana does have palliative effects, especially in treating nausea that cannot be relieved by other medications, including marinol. Treating nausea may not sound like a big deal, but if you’re a cancer patient on chemotherapy or an AIDS patient on antiviral medication, the ability to keep food and medicine around means the difference between life and death.
Marijuana has also been found to help in treatment of glaucoma and hypoglycemia. There are several conditions marijuana can help alleviate that no other known drug can help.
That’s the argument for medical marijuana. Here are my arguments for recreational legalization:
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the Federal government lacks the Constitutional right to outlaw marijuana or other drugs without a Constitutional amendment.
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the current War on Drugs does more harm than casual drug use and drug addiction.
I have smoked pot. I don’t now because it’s illegal and too much trouble for me to go to. Besides, I’m going to become a teacher, and one of the requirements of certification is that I remain drug free. If marijuana were legalized, I’d smoke it every couple of weeks or maybe once a month - about as often as I drink alcohol.
You know, if you don’t like pot, that’s fine. I just don’t see why we have to spend a couple hundred billion dollars a year to lock people up for something that you don’t like.
Going a bit offtopic, but what economic effects would we see from legalization? I’m not talking about effects from new users, but the effects on production.
Will independent producers simply make their wares more accessible and cheaper, orwill giants like Phillip Morris and RJR Nabisco plant thousands of acres of pot somewhere in Morth Carolina? God help us with the next incarnation of Joe Camel…
“The best way to do mathematics is to be creatively lazy.” -I. M. Isaacs