Lefties who are angry at Obama are misguided

The current anger and deep disappointment toward Obama from some on the Left comes from a misperception of what has been accomplished, and wishful thinking about what was possible. Obama has enacted more of his party’s agenda in two years than either of the preceding Presidents did for their party in eight. And he got as much out of the centrist Democrats like Ben Nelson as anyone could have expected.

Let’s begin with the Stimulus. It basically amounts to spending a boatload of money on worthy liberal projects, including national parks, special education programs, Pell grants, the VA, clean energy programs, stem cell research, and many others. If Clinton had passed any one of those parts – increasing the acreage of national park land by 2 million acres, for example, or providing major research funding for renewable energy – it would have been regarded as a substantial legislative victory in its own right. Yet some lefties are disappointed or angry because they wanted it to be even bigger.

As with the Stimulus, several parts of health care reform are individually as significant as anything passed by Clinton or Bush II. It bans insurance discrimination based on pre-existing conditions, makes health insurance affordable for 30 million more Americans, covers people up to age 26 on their parents insurance, helps cover the gap in coverage for Medicare participants paying for prescription drugs (the so-called donut hole), expands Medicaid to 133% of poverty level, and provides $11 billion to fund community health center which provide essential access to medical care to the poorest Americans, among dozens of other reforms. Democrats have been fighting for access to quality health care for all Americans for a century, and Obama took a huge leap forward. But some liberals are upset about the lack of a government-run insurance option, which might have saved some people (and the government) more money.

Then the Democrats reformed the financial regulatory laws. Again, some parts of this reform would individually have been significant legislation – including creation of the consumer financial protection bureau, the power to seize and shut down companies that threaten the economy, regulation of derivatives, closing off-shore tax havens, and increased shareholder rights. But some lefties are upset that they didn’t get a stronger Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

While passing these three large reform packages, Obama also helped pass a series of new anti-discrimination laws, including the Fair Pay Act and the Matthew Shepard Hate Crime Prevention Act; signed the Serve America Act, which quadrupled AmeriCorps, among other things; saved the jobs of thousands of blue collar auto workers; appointed two liberal Supreme Court Justices; and increased fuel efficiency standards by 25%. And in his spare time, Obama also shepherded through the CARD Act, which is the most sweeping consumer protection law in 40 years. But some Democrats wanted even more liberal Supreme Court justices, and…a unicorn. A real arm-twister like LBJ (or, in some even more preposterous narratives, Hillary Clinton) could have gotten all this and more, they say.

But what evidence is there that a more aggressive President could have convinced Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and the other centrist Democrats to vote for more liberal policies? None. It’s a myth that LBJ, or any President, got legislation passed by force of will or by strong-arm tactics. LBJ had comfortable supermajorities in both chambers, in a time when the filibuster was far less common, at time of far less established party discipline. Passing legislation in the 111th Congress, by contrast, required every single Democrat to be on board. It is much harder to get one Congressman who knows he holds the key vote to change his mind than to convince one of ten who might be the key vote. Believing that Ben Nelson or Blanche Lincoln (much less the GOP) would have voted against their interests if Obama yelled at them more, or asked for more liberal policies, is a fairy tale. Legislators don’t vote based on how aggressive the President is, especially when they know they’re the critical vote. They vote based on their constituencies at home, lobbyist money, and what they believe in.

Obama’s record is that he has passed more of his party’s legislation in two years than any president since LBJ. Nevertheless, I understand how some on the Left are mildly disappointed in Obama. Expectations were very high, and maybe you think an energy bill was more important than health care reform, for example. Or you’re upset that Obama couldn’t win approval from Congress to move Gitmo prisoners to the U.S. But anger? Plans to not to vote in 2012? That stuff is absurd. Those of you feeling that way need to reflect on everything Obama has accomplished in two years. The narrative of ineffectiveness is as far from reality as the Far Right’s view of the President as Stalin incarnate.

I was going to say something snide and vaguely funny (well, to me) to ridicule the left on this, as I’ve been doing in other threads, but frankly it’s not really humorous. The left wing is going to manage to get the most effective Democratic president in a LONG time booted out of office because they have an unrealistic view of what a President can and can’t do. The irony is that the second most effective Democratic president in recent history was also ridiculed by the left as being ‘Republican Light’, while most of the Democratic presidential failures (including notable failures to get enough traction to actually BE president) have become the darlings of the left.

It won’t serve the left to continue this stupid campaign against Obama because in the end what will happen is Obama will be a one term president (stabbed in the back by his own base), and the Republicans will simply move in with whoever they run in 2012. The left is in fantasy land if they think that by splitting things they will get one of their sacred cow candidates elected. It ain’t gonna happen in this reality because, contrary to what the left thinks, Obama is about as left wing as we are ever likely to get into the Oval Office.

The OP is completely correct…Obama has gotten more done in his two years that most presidents get done in their entire term. Unless he wants to have that be the sum total of everything he gets done for whatever he has left in office (2 years if the left keeps this dippy shit up), he has got to compromise with the Pubs and with his own centrist Democrats…that’s political reality, American style. I’m unsure why the left can’t grasp this seemingly basic fact, but until they can crush the Republican party to such an extent that they have zero influence this is going to remain reality.

-XT

Not “some liberals”; the majority of the country wanted a “public option”.

Yet oddly enough Republican Presidents do so all the time. For that matter, so do Republican non-Presidents. It’s only when the Left wants something we hear speeches like yours.

“Mildly disappointed”? Try “enraged” or “contemptuous”; that’s what I usually hear from the left. His constant sucking up to the Republicans, his indulgent of bigots and his covering up for the Bush Administration and his general continuation of Bush’s policies is disgusting.

Obama himself said it well the other day - he’s president of all America, and the fact is that a large percentage of America simply does not agree with him, and therefore he must compromise and work to get what he can while being a representative of the whole country.

His problem is that the 20% of the country that counts as his base is virulently angry and has a tendency to come unhinged over the smallest of things that don’t go their way. They honestly think that a president can completely change the entire nature of the country if only he’d be ‘tough enough’ and stop with all the namby-pamby compromising. What they really want is a strong man.

Der Trihs, to be fair, my “speech” is really targeted at lefty Democrats, and I presume from your politics that you’re either a non-voter or you vote for the Green Party or something. Nevertheless, let me respond to one point:

No, they don’t. You’re perpetuating a myth. What significant right-wing legislation did Bush II pass? Seriously, do this exercise for yourself. List the major right-wing bills passed by Bush II.

Partly true. But Obama came out of the election with an opportunity to push his agenda. He was riding high. Then the reality of the Stimulus and the fact a third of it was yet another tax cut, we were disappointed. Even with great momentum, he backed down a bit too much.
We have been trying to get a decent health bill for half a century or more. Nobody could crack it. He did it ,but the public option was a necessity. It is not there. The health care companies who are a huge part of the problem are still deeply involved. They will screw it up. Now the Republican press is pounding on it daily and even Obama’s backers are dropping off. I fear it will be trashed by the Repubs. If so, it was all about nothing.
The Consumer Protection Bureau will be hammered by the Repubs. Elizabeth Warren is being painted as a crazy liberal with no talent by the repubs. Since they control the message so well, she will have a hell of a hard time accomplishing anything substantive.
Gitmo was easy. Order it closed. DADT, the same thing. Executive orders. We can not allow a segment of America to be treated as second class citizens. it is wrong.
Obama’s honeymoon was wasted by the bank bailout and the stimulus. Those bills made nobody happy.
I think it was a great move to save the auto companies. The Repubs think they should have been allowed to die. I think some of the banks should have been allowed to die, the bankers taken to court for fraud, and some banks taken over and run by the government.
There are too many permutations possible in most of his decisions for him to garner a majority.

Why should the Left be happy about electing someone who ignores the desires of his own constituency in order to suck up to the Right? Why should they be happy with someone who made a point of slapping the people who elected him in the face literally from the day he was inaugurated?

And we likely won’t notice any difference.

There’s nothing “ironic” involved. You are just confusing “Democrat” with “left wing”; the Democrats are at best moderate right wingers, not left wing. Most people on the left care much more about their beliefs than they do about getting someone with letter “D” in front of their name elected. If a Democrat enacts right wing policies then the typical left winger isn’t going to regard it as a victory to elect him.

*Even with great momentum, he backed down a bit too much. *

Translate this out of the realm of metaphor and into the realm of reality. When you say he “backed down,” what do you mean, exactly? He should have proposed different legislation, and held a knife to Ben Nelson’s throat, or what?

*Gitmo was easy. Order it closed. DADT, the same thing. Executive orders. *

No, actually both reforms require legislation. In the former case to provide for transfer and trial of detainees in the civilian system, and in the latter case to amend the UCMJ.

Der Trihs, what could Obama have done to get Ben Nelson to vote for more liberal policies. Be specific.

I vote Democrat in order to keep the even more disgusting Republicans out. I’ve never voted for someone I actually supported in my life.

Warrentless wiretapping and other civil rights rollbacks, Homeland Security, the constant loosening of business regulations and the lowering of taxes on the rich under every Republican President, the Iraq war, the utterly vile Partial-Birth Abortion Ban.

Aside from the fact that ‘suck up to the Right’ translates into ‘centrist America’ (as opposed to whatever country/planet you are from), I’d say the reason they should be happy is that, realistically, he did as much as could realistically be done…and much more than most other presidents, including Bush, managed to do. And he did it in 2 years instead of over 8.

Possibly you folks on the left NEED a good slap in the face…a slap of reality. I doubt it would help, but hope springs eternal…

Oh, no doubt. :stuck_out_tongue: Because Bush and Obama are SO alike! Do you even think about what you are writing before you let fly?

So…what you care about isn’t getting any of your unrealistic agenda through, but instead about principal based stands that will get you no where, but where you can sit back and feel good about not compromising?

Irony indeed…

-XT

Yep, that’s about right. That’s pretty much all the right-wing legislation Bush passed in 8 years. The PATRIOT Act, Tax Cuts, the AUMF, Homeland Security, and abortion. It pales in comparison to what Obama has done in only two years.

So take your pick of any of those policies and explain how they resulted from Bush’s strong-arming the legislature. From memory, I think all of those bills (except tax cuts, which were reconciliation) got substantial support from conservative democrats without significant pressure from the President, but I’ll be happy to be corrected.

:rolleyes:

At the risk of hashing out this debate for the nth time, do you have any proof of this? We know that the majority of the country was AGAINST the bill. Virtually every poll showed this, even the ones run by the Democratic party (CNN, WaPo…).

Do you not get that, for every tickmark the bill moved to the left, that they would have lost otherwise-supporters on the right? Since politicians aren’t stupid and the margin of passage was always going to be tight, I’d guess that the bill was optimized for max support. Put a public option in there, or other lefty stuff, and support goes down even more. And remember, before the bill passed, most Americans were happy with their healthcare.

In other words, Obama fixed a problem that most Americans didn’t need/want fixed.

Look, I know that this board leans crazy left, and that’s fine. And the left seems to be whiners about a million times more than the right. And of course they tend to be way unhappier than righties. All fine.

But just because you spout out such claptrap and the true believers here don’t challenge you on it, doesn’t make it true.

Nope.
The man did not stick to his word.
Now that sort of behavior doesn’t matter to righties.
But us lefties value honesty.

What promise did he break, that he could have kept if he tried?

From what I can tell, most of the anger on the left isn’t that a compromise was reached or that Obama didn’t push hard enough but that he hardly pushed at all.

For example, he’s claimed extending the Bush era tax cuts at the top end of the income curve is a mistake and made campaign promises that they would end during his term, but he never really personally proposed anything himself (or, by proxy, through a legislator) that would eliminate the tax break.

Look at the last round of stimulus. A lot of people on the left thought the stimulus was too small. His advisers convinced themselves that a larger stimulus bill wouldn’t pass and proposed something smaller than his base would have preferred and smaller than even some of his economics advisers thought would be necessary. Of course, even with his preemptive compromise, many Congresspeople (mainly Republicans but a few Democrats) pushed back and got the Obama team to eventually settle for even less.

That might be his biggest knock. In the interests of bipartisanship, he shoots for the middle ahead of time. But if he starts from the middle, a lot of Republicans are going to try to push terms more to the right, knowing that they can probably wring a few more concessions out.

So, it’s not necessarily anger at the compromise but that negotiations always seem to start from a politically centrist point and move to the right.

Do you have any evidence that suggests that Ben Nelson would have voted for a larger bill, or for a public option, if only Obama had started with an even more liberal proposal? Do you have any evidence that suggests that the White House didn’t have some idea of Ben Nelson’s limits before proposing legislation? I just don’t see it.

What I see is some people taking the general principle that one should begin a negotiation with a high-ball offer, and applying that to the legislative process. But I see no evidence that this general negotiation principle actually applies to getting legislation passed, or has historically made any difference. On the contrary, it seems to me that asking for more than you can get carries far greater negative consequences in politics than it does in buying a used car, and few of the upsides.

Why do you keep insisting on that? The majority of those who didn’t like the bill thought it didn’t go far enough, as every poll that asked that showed… :rolleyes:

No, because it ain’t so. :rolleyes:

This is a fact-based board, believe it or not. Now go get some.
Richard, the disappointment with Obama is that he still can’t ever recognize when the GOP is bluffing. He folds when he should call. He continues to believe his opposition has the national interest at heart instead of their own partisan interest. People are mad at him because we could be so much better off as a nation and a society if he weren’t such a chump.

In this case, he really did believe the hostage-takers really were willing to harm the hostage, the American people, by refusing to vote for unemployment extensions or middle-class tax cut continuations. They wouldn’t have, of course; they’re not stupid. He probably even knows that now but is forced not to admit it. Now he has to depend on Reid to fix it for him - problem is, Reid’s a chump instead of a fighter too.

He could have followed Clinton’s regular example and gone over the heads of both Congress and the DC media Heathers to the people, and made both this and a far better health care bill happen with the advantage of popular pressure. Didn’t occur to him; he’s stuck inside the Beltway Bubble where it matters what gets said on Fox more than what gets said on Main Street. He may be intellectually capable of breaking loose from it, but it’s too late for him to get street sense or grow a spine.

They did vote against unemployment extensions and they did vote against a middle-class tax cut continuation. So your argument would have to be that they would not continue to do so. I see no evidence to support your argument. The political reality is that Obama could not afford to preside over raising middle class taxes, regardless of what arguments Democrats would be able to make about GOP obstruction. But even if you don’t accept that political reality, you really don’t see how you might be wrong? And if you accept the possibility that you’re wrong, isn’t this just a disagreement over tactics on which reasonable people might differ?

Remember context? Votes happen in context. They knew they didn’t have to vote for a package without millionaires’ tax breaks, because they were going to get those things as part of a package with them.

The political reality is that the GOP could not afford that either.

Do you? :dubious: