Legal in All Circumstances (or, I Wish a Muthasucka would!)

[Aji_de_Gallina]

@DianaG

Erm…

I guess it depends on who’s doin’ the bellyachin’.

But that’s okay, we’ll call you “Hapless Defender of the Gummi Bears”, and continue to have abortions just to annoy you.

Sure, but you can’t tell me that it’s better than “Abortolass”.

@Nzinga_Seated

You completely missed her point with the analogy. Completely.

Do expalin how.

@Fear_Itself

But you don’t let him stay there, do you?

Sure, would you kill him if that was the only way to get him out?
This is a good example. Sometime the removal of the fetus is necessary to save a woman’s life and that’s what should be done. I don’t see why we should kill it first, even if death is alomost certain. I mean, if a guy jumos of a bridge it’s still a crime to shoot him on the way down.

@Maia_s_Well

I think I get your point, and I get the pictures, too. They have reality to me, and I hear in your written voice a genuine protective instinct that comes from the heart.

I am hoping to offer you, not a replacement perspective, but an additional one. I don’t expect that it will change your mind (and I don’t come here to change other people’s minds so much as to expand my own). I feel hurt and saddened and generally pissed off that so much of the abortion debate focuses only on the fetus/baby/tissuepuffball or whatever rings true for the individual, and so little of it (comparitively speaking) on the right of already born, fully formed, human women.

There is a big not-seen-by-most here (here meaning our country, not these boards). The point I was trying to make (which I am asking you to consider) is that in NO other circumstances do we allow the state to force a human being to sacrifice the intergrity of control over his or her own body in order to save a life. But I’m thinking that there might be a better way to convey this idea to you.

Think of your heart’s reaction to the picture of the tiny, baby to be. Feel that compassion, that desire to save it, to protect it.

Can you picture a woman and find any compassion in your heart for her? Whatever works for you…a picture, someone woman you’ve know with an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy, find a real story on the internet, or use your imagination. I am asking you to see if you can feel for this woman the way you are able to feel for an unborn child.

Part of the tragedy I see in the lack of concern over the rights of women over their own bodies is THAT IT LEADS TO SO MANY FREAKIN’ UNWANTED PREGNANCIES. This culture that barely even considers that a woman’s body might not be just an incubator or sex toy fails to teach young women to honor and protect their own bodies, to OWN their bodies for themselves, alone. “Well, if I don’t have sex with him, he’ll think I’m a bitch or a tease or that I don’t love him.” “Well, I was stupid enough to come up to his room and have a few drinks, and if I say no, he might hurt me, so I’ll go along, but I went along, so it’s my fault…” We act like men need sex and women possess it, and men have to find ways to “get it” from women, and that whole messed up crap means, I believe, a whole lotta women are having sex that they don’t particularly want to have.

Anyway, as I said, I just want to see if any of this has any emotional meaning to you. If it doesn’t, that’s fine. I appreciate your honesty, especially in a forum that is mostly not in agreement with your feelings on the issue.

I wish you peace.

BTW, I was assuming you are a woman. Correct me if I’m wrong, please, 'cause that will be interesting information for me, about my own blind spots.

First of all, thanks for your kind words. Always good that one can debate this topic and still remain civil.
Second, I’m a man, father of three, but don’t feel bad, guessing sex/gender in the SDMB is always tricky.
Third, I see your point i.e. forcing the law on someone’s body and I can see why it can be hateful. I have a harder time to say anything the harder the decission was on the woman (like a woman stabbing her abusive yet sleeping husband. It ain’t right, but you have a harder time calling her a cold blooded criminal).
Debating faceless opponents is not “real” life.
What really gets me, and this is very common in Peru, is when women are forced to abort because the boyfriend/husband/dad/family says “…or else”; the choice is actually making it easier for someone else to force you.
I know it’s hard on many women and I wish there could be other solutions.

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@Soylent juicy: Freeing slaves without providing anthing else is bad?
If you are pro-abortion, do you have to personally pay for all the abortions you can?
If you are pro-choice: do you pay for abortion or pay for the kids upbringing?
Are you in favour of the Darfur shit-hole? Are you there?

[Nzinga_Seated]

@Aji_de_Gallina

Sure, but you can’t tell me that it’s better than “Abortolass”.

There is nothing better than “Abortolass”

[ShadowFacts]

@Maia_s_Well

I haven’t read this whole thread yet and realize this response was not timely and imagine that someone else has probably already responded, but I have to respond.

I’ve seen a lot of nasty shit on these boards, but this was amongst the nastiest.

Grow up, little boy.

Actually, the only responses were humorous, in line with the intent of the original comment. You are the only person who thought it was nasty, or even gave it a second thought. That should tell you something.