The doctor that Syd and David has group sessions within in the institute was the guy who Syd refused to open his cell door, because he was behaving like a psycho creep. In the ending group session, Lenny was in the doctor role. Also, none of the others present had been in the institute (maybe excepting the wheelchair guy and blue-hair kid, whom I don’t know where they came from).
Uh…I dismissed that idea when I saw it as too stupid. I hope they aren’t that lame.
I thought they were all trapped in David’s mind place.
I think so, too (as opposed to believing all events of the past few epidodes have happened in Syd’s mind, as she was back in episode 1).
The fact that Lenny is acting as the doctor indicates that the entity sharing David’s head is in charge. It might be looking for information from all or some of the trapped people, or it might simply be torturing them for fun. Or looking for a new head to live in.
I’m sure you’re right; in the unlikely event Noah Hawley came up with that you’d hope the network would have talked him down.
So in relation to the entities occupying David, we have - for want of better terms - mini Adolf and the Eggman?
It’s kind of like hot desking for the mentally unwell.
I think it is far more likely they are in David’s astral plane. You can’t assert that multiple episodes are simply not real and hope to keep an audience. People are simply going to tire of that sort of gotcha.
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I still clinging on to the outside bet of all this taking place at some Apple product development campus.
Going by references in the show, and the end credits: Devil With the Yellow Eyes, the World’s Angriest Boy, Lenny, King the dog, and presumably the dad that is in David’s memories.
Last episode also intriguingly credits someone as “The Man In All His Clothes”; I can’t figure out who that’s supposed to refer to.
Wherever it is supposed to be set, the location scouts are doing a fantastic job - the Summerland campus, Division 3 cells, and that wild lighthouse with the eye-windows are all crazy cool.
I am still enjoying the show but it does run the risk of a little too much navel gazing and not enough forward momentum. They aren’t there yet but a few episodes have come close.
The story device of showing (mostly) only the results of David’s assault was extremely clever and well done.
Okay, I’ve just started this show and binged on Hulu to episode 4. Obviously I’ve let myself be spoilered on ep 5 some reading here. Apparently they are going Inception on us making us guess what level is reality (and even if we are in an unreality whose unreality it is) in addition to what parts of what we see are from David’s or his parasites’ minds. As soon as I can I’ll watch the ep and get up to live broadcast time. I get that David and Syd are still somehow connected telepathically what with his still feeling that he has her hair every so often and her ability to see the monsters that he sees when others cannot.
Still help me out here.
Lenny was in the hospital beyond in David’s mind. We had Kissinger motioning for her to take the headphones off during the group session and the government operatives stating that she had been killed during the incident. She was not just an “I see dead people” character that only David saw and not only one projection of his parasite(s). That Lenny was clearly not Benny, even if David (or one of his mind-parasites) substituted her for Benny in his memories. Syd’s seeing her dead was apparently real.
Right?
But what that is hidden from David and the memory team required replacing Benny from the memory?
Right, and judging from the preview of the next episode the entity stays in charge for a while (it all seems to be set in the hospital). What apparently happened is that David whisked them all to his created world to save them from the Entity but unfortunately the alien came with them and instantly took over. Hard to tell what its plan is though.
Clearly the identity of David’s father is going to be important. Dan Stevens and Patrick Stewart were on James Corden’s show together a few days ago and Stevens jokingly asked Stewart if he would play Dr X on Legion. (Stewart said he’d love to.) All in jest of course but it’s set off furied speculation on Reddit that Dr X is going to show up in the next season (if there is one) as the father of David. Now that would be fun, especially if Stewart did play him.
Speaking of another season, according to TV By The Numbers the show is practically on life support and at this rate a second season is looking really unlikely.
Damn shame. Every show I really get into ends up getting the chop, I really hope that doesn’t happen to this one but the prospects are not good. 
Finally caught up to the latest episode, had to watch it all on On Demand.
DAMN, what a great show.
I love everything about it, from the look, casting, writing, music, etc… really, I’m not finding anything to complain about.
Okay, one thing.
I’ll complain that the ratings are bad, and that might cheat me from seeing a second season.
(I’ll try to avoid block ep 5 spoilers.)
Even from episode 1, the show has been very consistent in how it presents “real world” scenes and the various fantasy/memory/astral scenes. The lighting is always just a bit off if it’s not in the real world, and camera angles are often askew (e.g., David’s memories). The astral scenes also look like they’re staged on a soundstage - nothing outside the windows, etc.
In the initial episode, we see most of what goes down in the institute after the Syd-David from Syd’s perspective (in David’s body) - and not only are the lighting and camera angles odd and disjointed, but there’s a glimpse of the Devil With The Yellow Eyes from Syd’s perspective. Her memories from then are as suspect as David’s.
I’d have to go back and rewatch the group session scene, but I recall watching it to see if some of the people in the session might be figments of David’s mind (as I’ve read the comics), and not being able to figure out if Lenny was real or not - she makes comments to David, but you can’t tell if anyone else reacts to hearing them. I don’t recall Dr. Kissinger interacting with her directly.
Lenny does seem to interfere later with Syd being taken out of the institute by Dr. Kissinger - but it was unclear whose point-of-view we were watching that scene from, and the action was somewhat disjointed (as mentioned, a sign it might not be reality).
Now, specifically in episode 5: The scene at the very end of the episode focuses so tightly on Syd’s point-of-view that I couldn’t tell if it had the “astral soundstage” earmarks or not; I suspect it’ll turn out it did.
I appreciate the help but that brings up another interaction … I think we saw Lenny stalling Syd on her way out with Syd interacting with her before the Syd/David contact/switch/merger, not just a memory of it. Or is my memory playing tricks with me?
Legion will be the best marvel tv show ever! have to wait till next month to watch cause I can only do binge watching.
That’s very disappointing, this is a great show.
FX is very forgiving of ratings. They seem to take critical response into consideration more than most networks and Legion is loved by critics. Also FOX owns both the network and the show and it seems built for streaming success so I suspect the show will be safe and renewed.
Ratings are really complex now. Some like to cling onto the traditional measurement because it’s all they have but it’s old hat.
Several things will keep this show in air, word-of-mouth, award recognition (for the station as well) and time shifting which will be disproportionate in this shows demographic.
If it does cancelled due to lack of ratings, part of the blame will belong to fans like you two.
No, the blame lies squarely with TV execs who don’t understand how TV watching works now. It’s not our fault they fail to understand how binge watching is far more preferable to customers.