I agree; between him and the showrunner Noah Hawley, they’ve marketed it as a prestige project. But with Beauty and the Beast coming out, Dan Steven can get kicked up a while new level.
I am enjoying it even though it remains open ended and ambiguous. I haven’t felt like the showrunner is lost or anything ;).
*Dan Stevens can get kicked up to a whole new level of celebrity…
Carry on.
Regarding Lenny, Syd-David did at least stick someone in a wall. She remembers it, and the Division 3 guy mentions it.
One scene that sticks with me, and I ca’t recall which episode it was (although I know it was after David made it to Summerland) was a memory flash of David eating Twizzlers. Lenny was always chewing on Twizzlers, so it made me wonder if there was a David/Lenny confabulation going on. It was a fairly early episode.
That’s actually why I think “Lenny” has compromised Syd’s memories from when Syd was in David’s body, too. (And while Division 3 guy mentions it, I don’t recall him confirming it was “Lenny”, or just random other person stuck in a wall.)
At one point in that kind of hectic flashback Syd relates about what happened while she was in David’s body, there’s a glimpse of the Devil With the Yellow Eyes, so apparently it/she stayed as a parasite in David’s body when David’s mind went elsewhere.
What really needs to happen is for us to find out what Lenny is up to - she mentioned to David while on the astral plane that she had to get out of there 'cause she had things to do or places to go or something. And she’s been hammering him hard to spring his sister from Division 3. So she’s/it’s up to something. We just don’t have enough information yet to know what.
I almost bowed out after the second episode, too; now I’m incredibly glad I persevered. This really is excellent.
Legion doesn’t seem to be doing poorly on FX:
It’s 18-49 demo numbers are above the renewed Taboo, Fargo, Baskets and Atlanta. So I’d imagine it would have a good chance.
Rest easy, it’s been renewed.
Gee, I guess my watching it days later On Demand didn’t kill it after all.:rolleyes:
This episode devolved into some hardcore self-indulgent naval gazing. I’ll keep watching, but my interest level took a hit.
To reiterate, if you don’t watch a show you like within a week of it airing, and it gets cancelled for low ratings, you are part of the reason for the cancellation. It can’t get any simpler than that.
Geez Ellis Dee you’r a GENIUS!
I’ll watch every show on network TV, that I don’t like, 2,3 weeks after it’s aired on On Demand and they’ll all get canceled!
And you’re right, you can’t be simpler than that.
You have both already been told to dial it back and one of you was even given a warning for the sniping getting too heated. Therefore I’m giving you both warnings for ignoring mod instruction and more warnings will be given out if you do not take any further beefs, sniping, bickering, or hijacking this topic about this stuff to the Pit.
That’s great news! Thank the gods it wasn’t a network show, ABC or NBC would have killed it in a heartbeat. I’m still nursing a grudge against ABC for cancelling Happy Town and ensuring that I will never know what that old German film The Blue Door was about, how one of the characters who died could show up in it and just who (or what) the Haplins were. But I digress. Once again, great news!
Legion has stumbled onto the secret that, for all Marvel’s different tone/genre movies, no one ever thought to explore the terror/horror genre with superheroes. Which, in hindsight, turns out to be a good fit, really.
Most of the episodes have followed different styles of horror (e.g., last episode’s kind of slasher-film vibe in the quiet house). This episode was more psychological horror, with a frisson of stalker film in Kerry vs. Walter. I think this changing-it-up with different tension and pacing is one of the reasons this show has been so good, so hope they keep it up.
Another reason is that the season is only 8 episodes, so they have no padding in the storyline - everyone in this episode had their situation advanced, instead of wallowing in psychodrama for an entire episode as would’ve happened for a longer season.
I never before found navels so interesting!
So I had presumed that David had sent them there to “be lost together” from the white room as Syd was being attacked but it seems that maybe everyone was sent there from when the shots were fired and that once there all but Lenny “got lost” into their modified (but based on their realities) identities? And of course time distorted such that days or weeks are occurring in time of the bullet traveling … which itself may be, likely is, placed elsewhere in the astral plane.
What does Dr. Bird need to do?
Why did Lenny reveal herself to David?
They are in astral plane and previously Lenny was desperate to get out of that place; why now not?
Lightray Jessica Jones hit the terror/psychologic horror/stalker motif pretty hard. But yeah, they did it very well with all the characters having meaningful depth added.
I think that Syd provoked David to take he and her to the “White Room” (last episode), but Lenny took the opportunity to take over the whole show. That was signaled last episode by having Lenny show up - as the Devil With the Yellow Eyes - to terrorize Syd in the White Room.
Lenny explained it all to David this episode - she/it had brought all of David’s friends into the Clockworks mental scenario in an attempt to control David by manipulating them. But she/it found it too complicated/tedious, and in the end realized she didn’t need David’s mind, just his body - so she was done with David and his friends.
I think that Lenny taking over David’s body is Lenny’s way out of being trapped in the astral plane/in David’s mind.
Oliver seems to want Melanie to stop David & Syd from being hit with the bullets that are coming at them in the real world in real time. How Oliver got Melanie out of the Clockworks astral scenario into the real world, I dunno.
And, I think I’d place Jessica Jones as more “action thriller”, than Legion’s broader “horror”, but admittedly that’s just me overdefining things.
Yes I can see that. Thanks for the explanation. After all Oliver said that David bought the monster along into the astral plane and that once he was out of the ice cube he was at risk. Lenny’s is the more powerful mind and is able to dominate (but not completely control) that unreality.
Not sure the bullets that *are *coming at them in the real world in real time, I think once they crossed a certain threshold outside the house they entered the astral plane (right after Melanie Bird warned us all of the possibility); David moved Syd and himself within the astral plane - to the white room and to Clockworks to try to get lost together, but wherever he moves within the astral plane Lenny now is too. There is no escaping Lenny within the astral plane … except maybe in Oliver’s ice cube). Oliver is helping guide the others within the astral plane and can get away with it as long as Lenny doesn’t know he’s doing it.
How does stopping the bullets from hitting Syd and/or David shift the power balance to David?
Well, when I’m making plans in general “Don’t Get Shot” usually seems like a good step to add. 
Could be that if David “dies”, Lenny has an easier time taking over. Or maybe Syd is the one who is going to get hit. (since The Eye (disguised) seemed to be shooting at David.)
… This show could really use a good recap site. But, I’m not sure that you could do a recap without baking in some perhaps-inaccurate assumptions about what just happened.
I continue to enjoy this. I feel like I am watching an updated version of The Prisoner, and Lenny changes every episode, kind of like No.2 did, presenting a new level of challenge as our hero tried to focus in on his real self/identity.
I have them recorded but I am a couple episodes behind. And I am thoroughly confused and disoriented. While I enjoy the visual and creative style of the show, I really don’t like not being able to tell what is real and what is imagination.
IMO, sometimes (like season 2 of Mr. Robot), a show can get too clever by half. (And I like Wikionary’s definition: “Shrewd but flawed by overthinking or excessive complexity, with a resulting tendency to be unreliable or unsuccessful.”)