http://www.indiana.edu/~pietsch/lorber-references.html
http://www.mysteries.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/6,2.htm
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I do not know what your reference to Professor Lorber was meant to signify. Could you be more specific?
In your second reference, the question was posed: How can one recover from brain damage? I actually provided an explanation for this many posts ago. The concept is called Neuroplasticity - the brain’s natural reparatory ability via neurogenesis.
lekatt, I’m still not convinced that you really understand the principle of Ockham’s Razor. I ask you to follow my analogy through one more time, and then I’ll ask you a single question which I would really, really like you to answer after a good long think about it:
Let us say I believed that computers were actually run from the Great Beyond. All of the programs, memories and applications which appeared on the monitor come not from the chip activity, nor the hard drive, nor any physical source. These are merely the “relays” or “interface” between the Beyond and the computer user. The actual cause of all the activity on the screen, I say, is communications from a spirit realm.
If you showed me the magnetic domains on the hard drive I could say that the communications from the Beyond caused those physical changes. If you showed me how interfering with the chip changes the program, I could say that this was because the “interface” is broken, ie. that the physical changes affect the communications with the Beyond but don’t cause the program to work. No matter how carefully you explain the mechanics of how certain things on the screen correlated with certain activity in the chip, RAM and ROM, I could simply say that these were physical manifestations of spiritual activity.
Here is the fundamental, crucial question which I believe it encompasses this entire thread:
[ul]How would you convince me that the computer was not merely a vessel for communications from the Beyond if I held that all of your scientific electronics was just an irrelevant “theory”?[/ul]
Further to this idea of “brainlessness”, the citation before conflated two different conditions. It is true that those with a smaller brain have attained maths degrees etc.. But that citation implied that someone with almost no brain had done so. The almost completely brainless child could only roll around, blind and dumb, on his back. Even mice could manage this, and a mouse brain in a human skull would likely be labelled “almost brainless”.
“Every night Pinoline (made by the pineal gland), DMT and 5meoDMT are produced in the brain and are the causal agents of vivid dreams.”
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Awww, look at that, the brain releases DMT every single night. Looks like your brain released a little too much that night.
nice review article. first time to see serendip, also. thx.
While we may not agree with everyone who expresses an opinion based on experience, it is our obligation, as researchers, scientists or just seekers, to PAY ATTENTION.
None of us has a monopoly on truth, and all the witty retorts in the Universe don’t change this. In fact, accepted “truth” has been overturned numerous times during what we call our establishment of knowledge.
Lekatt has information to share. Just because he shares it in a manner that some perceive as obnoxious does not subtract from the validity of the experience. Indeed, we who consider ourselves researchers must cut beyond the personal bias and extract that which is valuable from that which is anecdotal, always.
If you are not interested in truth, then feel free to discharge any and all who disagree with your narrow point of view.
IMNSHO, there’s a lot who fall into that category.
There are lots of excellent requests for elaboration/explanation/erudition/etc. that would serve to expand our knowledge. Not that lekatt can answer them, but worthy of examination.
lekatt is like a stone in our shoe. We are not really sure it’s there, and it may take more energy than we are able to muster to dislodge it, so some of us will address it, some will ignore it.
Maybe it’s just a fold in our sock, right? Ignore it and it will go away. Shift position and it will disappear.
Further observations.
Not all information is equal.
Not all information is valid.
Not all information is truth.
Not all statements are information.
Some anecdotes have no useful information whatsoever.
Given a finite lifespan, it is essential that one learn to differentiate between valid information and useless anecdote, because to do otherwise is to throw away one’s life needlessly.
you ain’t gonna find a Coupe DeVille hiding in the bottom of a Cracker Jack Box-Meatloaf
It’s not that his manner is obnoxious. Usually, it isn’t. It’s that much of his information is demonstrably false, that he is impervious to counter-arguments, reason and facts, that he continues to make the same claims long after they have been thoroughly debunked and falsified, that he contradicts himself and observed reality and doesn’t acknowledge it, and so on and so on.
I believe you haven’t read the many previous threads were lekatt displayed this behaviour. Do so. If you still think we’re treating him too harshly, come back and say so. One good place to start is the “Contact with the Great Beyond–Psychics like Praagh” thread.
I think you’re being a little harsh there, Priceguy. I don’t think lekatt has said much which is outright demonstrably false here yet, indeed most of what he says is simply not falsifiable.
His problem is rather more difficult to address - it is that he does not understand Ockham’s Razor. The example I put to him, which he has not yet replied to, was that even though electronics can provide a feasible explanation for every aspect of a computer, one cannot offer any evidence that computer activity is not caused by communications from a spiritual dimension.
Similarly, even though neuroscience (including dreams and ‘guesswork’) can provide a feasible explanation for NDE’s, “near-brainlessness”, recovery from brain damage, guessed/audible details of an operation when unconscious, or any other citation which lekatt proposes as evidence for a spiritual or consciousness outside the brain, he persists in appealing to the unnecessary.
I may have been a bit harsh, but on the other hand, you’re being a bit lenient. He has made quite a few demonstrably false statements, general ones such as “Life after death is scientifically proven” and specific ones such as the Houdini one.
Agreed.
No, but the lack of Residium on his NCCF does.
I agree completely.
I provided cites from scientific studies and research, some were published in scientific journals. I provided a lot of evidence for the points I was making.
In return I received only one cite of the study of a mouse. I also received heckling, personal attacks from a moderator, and numerous senseless posts.
When I came to this board I thought it was the best, I have learned its not, rules are broken regularly depending on your beliefs.
I have given this a lot of thought, and in the light of the recent personal attacks by the moderator I can no longer post on this board.
I want to find a place where serious discussions can take place on serious subjects without the kind of interference found here.
If by chance anyone would want to discuss some of these subjects with me post them on the board below in the “Great Debates” section. This board will be moderated honestly.
Love
Actually, that should read:
But there ain’t no Coupe de Ville
Hiding at the bottom of a Cracker Jack box - Jim Steinman
Your cites of “scientific studies and research” have been shown to not even be related to the points you were making countless times. You refuse to acknowledge those points, and continue to complain that people are ignoring them. Please.
There has been more than one cite than the study of the mouse. You are deliberately lying now lekatt.
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DocCathode, kindly quit baiting lekatt with the “Residium” schtick. We have enough real crazy people here without trying to out-crazy them, and the joke’s been stretched a bit too far.
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Steinman???
The estimable Mr. Loaf?
Holy Cow! I can’t believe it…Look at that kid go…
DocCathode, now that Guadere has called time-out, I just have to say thank you. If you were a man of lesser morals (comparable to, say, L. Ron Hubbard) I am sure you could spin NCCFs, Resdium et al. into a series of books, possibly a religion, and a decent fortune. Bravo!
Jim Steinman wrote the entire album, the estimable Mr Loaf sang it. Different people.
I sit corrected. 