Believe it or don’t, one way it can be is consistent with consensus reality.
OK, if a 4 month prognosis doesn’t preclude the possibility of a 10 year survival, then why give any prognosis. Saying “I just don’t know” would be fine with me.
Incidentally the person with cancer I was talking about was cancer free after about 10 months. No treatments were being given during this time because the doctor had given up on him. The only thing that changed was his attitude toward death. He no longer feared it.
Whose consensus, the believers in spirit or the non-believers in spirit. Remember the people who believe in the spirit world far ournumber those that don’t.
I neither used nor misused any statistics. It is perfectly possible to have 100 balls in a box that statistically average 1/2 inch around while none of them are actually 1/2 inch around.
That statement is about as meaningful as an assertion that the majority of Americans were opposed to the recently passed-and-signed health care reform legislation.
P.S. Don’t waste your time responding. I’m not returning to read any more of this thread.
If you’d stayed in statistics class a little longer they might have told you about this thing called the “bell curve” - often you’ll find that the majority of cases behave similarly to one another, while a few ‘outliers’ deviate far from the norm - perhaps infinitely far. The thing that determines how useful the estimate isn’t how far off it can possibly be, but the percentage of time it’s reasonably close. If the estimate is spot on for 80% of people and pretty close for all but 0.1% of them, then the estimate is worth making.
I guess that’s why I am an atheist. I have yet to find a reliable source for spiritualism or religion.
Thought I might try to show the differences between computer software and consciousness. If we say that consciousness is somewhat like computer software, we must remember software needs an author. So the magic you don’t want creeps back in. Then there is the problem of emotions, which computer software lacks.
So if it could be shown that consciousness operates independently of the brain and body would that mean there is magic or spiritual elements to consciousness?
We are all taught to believe what we believe by parents and peers. These beliefs are reinforce by either religion or science. Why do we hold these beliefs sacred and refuse to at least examine other avenues of knowledge. Our consciousness expands with learning new ideas, gaining new knowledge, but not by repeating the same beliefs over and over again.
Again, lekatt, how do you contact your spiritual friends? How do they contact you? I’m curious.
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This thread was re-opened on the grounds that some posters felt there was a point to pursuing it.
If that point, whatever it was supposed to have been, does not appear pretty soon, I am going to lock it, again.
If there is some serious question–not simply baiting lekatt to see what silliness one can evoke from him–let us see it.
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The source lies within you, and can be found by practice. I wrote this article for religious people, mainly Christians, but atheists may be able to get something from it.
I guess you would call it mental telepathy. I ask and they reply. I met my spirit guide shortly after my near death experience. It is not uncommon, everyone has a spirit guide, but we are just too busy with other things to notice. There are many good books about them.
By death experience, do you mean your bad dream?
How would you respond to the ability to reliably recreate “near death experiences” in a centrifuge? Because they do it.
Just about the same percentage of people who claim to have NDEs in the real world report having hallucinations in the centrifuge.
It’s the brain’s way of reacting to trauma. There’s nothing supernatural or paranormal about it.
No classical near death experience has ever been caused by anything other than clinical death. No pills, electrodes, or centrifuges have ever caused one. In the link below is a list of what happens in a real NDE. You can quickly see the difference.
Perhaps I’m wrong on this but I’m getting the impression that lekatt just plain doesn’t want to believe in death of the brain nor even of decay of the brain. Near death, on the other hand, is a different story. So, it really doesn’t seem like a fruitful endeavor to discuss someone whose brain is dead or gone (such as Ms. Schiavo) with him.
On edit: lekatt, could you perhaps link to something besides your own blog?
lekatt, some questions for you.
Once a person no longer has a brain, can a person grow another brain?
Is a brain necessary for a person’s consiousness?
If a brain is necessary for a person’s consciousness, then once the person has no brain, can that person have consciousness?
If a brain is not necessary for a person’s consciousness, then must a person’s consciousness be located in that person’s body?
This is the forum for witnessing, and this is the forum for challenging/debating people who are witnessing. As long as the tone is acceptable to the standards in GD (e.g. no personal insults, etc.), you should not close the thread again.
Please remember that the “silliness” of lekatt’s beliefs is no more and no less silly than your own Christian beliefs.
Lekatt, are all CUs the same, or are there different types of CUs?
When CUs cluster together, be it in a person or in a pencil, does greater consciousness come into being?
lekatt, why is any one collection of CUs better than any other collection of CUs?
Is one person better than another person?
Is a person better than a rock composed of the same number of CUs?