Lesbian Golf Questions

Top Secret

All your cites refer to the Dinah Shore tournament, which has become popular for lesbians to attend, but none of them establish that lesbians are unusually prevalent among LPGA competitors.

Everyone is mentioning “talk” of lesbians in golf, or basketball, or tennis. “Talk” is not evidence. “Common knowledge” is often “bullshit.” I wanna see evidence.

I don’t know why that hypothesis would be “common sense”. And if true, it should be easy to prove-- take random samples of women and see if lesbians are more likely to have secondary sex characteristcs, which btw, these:

aren’t.

Well, you raise a good point. The articles I offered each talk of the lesbians in the LPGA in connection with explaining the popularity of the Dinah Shore tournament. But it’s talk, not figures, not a study.

The thing is – I can’t seem to find a peer-reviewed study that addresses this issue.

But here’s why I think it’s a valid working hypothesis anyway – the “talk” doesn’t just come from one quarter. That is, the commentary about the prevelance of lesbians in the LPGA doesn’t come solely from detractors, or solely from fans or advocates. It comes from a wide range of commentarors from all positions.

I grant that this is not exactly rock-solid evidence. But it’s persuasive enough to me that I think it’s worth accepting as a hypothesis.

As an aside and comparison, I know of no similar study about the prevelance of gay men in theatre. But having worked in dinner theatre for several years, I can testify that in my little world of theaters in the Washing-Baltimore area, there were more gay men in theater than in the general population. I think that both the virulently anti-gay and the proudly-pro-gay sides of the spectrum would agree with that, despite the lack of (so far as I’m aware) a peer-reviewed study proving it. Based on that agreement and my own experience, I am comfortable asserting it as fact.

With respect to the LPGA business, I admit I have no personal experience to draw upon. But the seeming unanimity of opinion on this issue from commentators across the board makes me reasonably confident.

Yeah, like you were gonna get that much work done after 3:30pm on a day between a weekend and a holiday, with hardly anyone in the office today anyway. :slight_smile:

There is a much higher percentage of lesbians in competitive professional womens golf, relative to their representation in the overall US female occupational population. People can dicker about specifics, but the fact of the matter is that gay women are a very significant presence in the demographic cohort of professional female golfers in the US.

Why? Nature/Nurture who knows, but on the nurture side of the equation I think it’s partly (IMO) because there is a long history of gay and bi-sexual women in professional golf stretching back many decades starting with the great Babe Zaharias/ Didriksen. As in any kind of organization like attracts like and the LPGA has become a comfortable competitive space for many gay women.

This is my WAG as well.

Women, to a certain degree, want to play sports and wear flannel shirts. Straight women tend to supress these desires because they are not feminine, and femininity is what will land them a man.

Men, to a certain degree, want to be chorus boys and watch Judy Garland pictures. Straight men tend to supress these desires because they are not masculine, yadda yadda yadda.

Conveniently, this does not require some complex genetic code that matches up sexuality with the love of sports/flannel/theatre/Judy. It’s a societal convention that directs straights and gays to focus on “acceptable” desires.

But you could say the same for lesbians; speaking for myself, i’m attracted to masculine guys and feminine girls, not masculine/feminine people in general. Lesbians can be attracted to femininity too, and gay guys can be attracted to masculinity.

This dedicated public servant pleads guilty as charged!

As Brick suggests, I doubt you will find much in the manner of authoritative studies. Especially with the LPGA, which makes no bones about selling the sex appeal angle.

The only mention in print I recall is in the book Who’s Your Caddy, where the author caddies for various folk including a quite attractive and hetero LPGA pro. In addition to the prevalence of lesbianism, he also addresses the issue unique to the LPGA of pro-caddy relations. (Well, I’m guessing they are less frequent on the guys’ tour!)

Is that the reason? Another (not indefensible) stereotype about gay men is that, whatever their occupation, they have a more highly developed esthetic sense than straight men, or even straight women; which is why their homes tend to be more elaborately decorated. If so, that might also explain their attraction to careers in the arts.

Cite?

That phrase might explain what gives male intellectuals a hardon, but otherwise . . .

:confused: I cannot recall the word “golf” being used in porn-film titles to any significant extent, and I ought to know! :smiley:

Come on.

I’m sorry, but I pay very little attention to sports. What reason do you have to believe lesbians predominate among female WNBA fans?

I’ve attended a lot of Mystics games.

:confused: Who are the Mystics?

And I don’t claim they predominate – just that the incidence of lesbians in the set of WNBA fans is greater than the incidence of lesbians in the set of US adult population.

I think there is a definite cultural component to lesbianism – which celebrates women’s achievement in a women’s only way. It would be no surprised that they would follow LPGA & the WNBA in disproportionate numbers.

It would also not surprise me, as others have touched on, if there is an inherent bias against women playing sports in this country. Lesbians would , in theory, be more immune to the pressure to stop playing a “boys game” or find it unlady-like or be diverted into chasing boys/pregnancy … if so in theory (I am just spitballing here) there would be a higher percentage of them to make the pros.

Finally, I think golf is the one game where women, almost have a level playing field. I can’t think of another sport where a 13 year old girl - or accomplished professional woman could, almost, hold her own against grown men pros. That aspect might also appeal to many lesbians.

Um… they are the Washington, DC WNBA team.