Let’s see the cites for this (and there better be a whole bunch, covering 5 months), you lying trolling fuckwad.
Zoster’s a goddamned idiot who would be banned under my “too stupid to post” policy. Alas and alack it’s not been adopted; but can we just assume, going forward, that every other post in this thread will be an accusation that Democrats want to rape children/kick puppies/eat babies/tell white children that they’re devils/discriminate against Asians/graffiti swastikas on synagogues/whatever new poison drips from his asshole, and move on? I mean, his accusations are vile, sure, but they’re not interesting. There’s no need to treat them as such.
First they came for the stupid people and I did not speak out—
Because I was not stupid…
Responding to the issue of “whiteness” as a concept: conservatives, what the hell is wrong with you? This is an abstract academic framework that some sociologists and historians have proposed for understanding the functioning of institutional racism. It is not a book in second grade classrooms. Stop being stupid.
Am I a fan of the “whiteness” framework? I’m no more a fan of it than I’m a fan of demimultiplexing telemetry, or any other tricky-to-understand aspect of a highly specialized field. I don’t have an opinion about it because I don’t know enough about it.
If demimultiplexing telemetry, or “Whiteness,” were being taught in second grade, I’d have serious questions. But it’s almost never done. This is just a transparent attempt to scare people.
(To save Zoster some time, the above quote may be paraphrased by any dumbfuck as “Leftists think white children are devils and support exorcizing them through the use of quinoa enemas and bonfires built from carbon-neutral fetuses”)
What Sophia would call ‘Saturday’.
In fairness to conservatives that was not the best choice of name for that concept.
What, demimultiplexing telemetry?
I don’t know enough about the academic field to make such a judgment. Nor do I especially think that academics should gear their academic terminology toward how it’ll sound coming out of Tucker Carlson’s stanky piehole. In all fairness to conservatives, maybe they should shut the fuck up about things they don’t understand, but in all fairness to conservatives, maybe we need to get better about enthusiastically reminding them of the wisdom of said upthefuckshuttery.
I have enough arbirtrary hostility to academia to assume they picked yet another strange word to protect their job security.
(Yes you’re right that academia doesn’t need to use language that avoids giving RW media soundbytes however by happenstance they picked language thats really good for RW soundbites)
I mean, sure–but this isn’t like a cornerstone concept of modern sociology or anything, this isn’t a term that anyone needs to engage with in order to understand racism. And there’s enough academia, and enough people engaging with racism, that someone is bound to use some word or phrase that shitheels like Carlson and Zoster can take out of context and build a shriekimachine out of.
I just think worrying about that is a chump’s game: we gotta fight them, but not by constantly worrying about whether they’ll misinterpret us and trying to avoid that. Of course they’re gonna misinterpret us. Instead of trying to avoid that–we can’t–we need to be ready to hit back at them when they do.
That’s not how you do cites. Provide a link to each of those sources that gives the actual wording of what they said. For at least once per month for each of those sources.
Yes, this was an earthshattering paper that has had an enormous impact on the field. It was cited in all of… [checks notes] 2 papers?
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=17816650385143156088&as_sdt=2005&sciodt=0,5&hl=en
What’s the best way to type out that sound you make when you like look out the window and do the frustration raspberry? Do you think it’s like bhbhbhbhbhtttttt
You got a head start on me but it’s not like I was born last night. I’m a product of the 70’s and 80’s education system. Everything you say you were not taught, I recall being taught or having been exposed to in some fashion throughout my life. Growing up in Canada I had a damn good idea about the history of colonization by the French and English and the impact on native populations. Hell, I still remember those lectures from my 6th grade teacher. Similarly about the history of slavery in the US.
So while some people from your generation may be short on historical facts, I have a hard time understand how people of my generation and younger could possibly have avoided having a more accurate and up to date understanding of history. Furthermore, how could people avoid being exposed to new information simply by living their lives as members of modern society?
Something else is going on here that has nothing to do with people’s lack of knowledge of fundamental historical facts about America’s history. I think most people on the right are not simply racists, ignorant of history. I think they are people who don’t feel they had any role in historical injustices and have come to resent poor progressive messaging (like Defund the Police, CRT and Anti-Racism) that they are somehow at the core of what’s wrong with America. It’s made worse by the fact that for many of them, America isn’t working for them either. It’s like a bad relationship in which you’re constantly being told that it’s all your fault. At a certain point you stop listening and become very defensive about every criticism & accusation.
Grew up in Louisiana and Arkansas, schooled in the 80s and early 90s. I didn’t understand the facts of slavery, the Civil War, segregation, and Jim Crow until college and beyond. And what I did understand came from my parents, not from school. Casual racism (and ignorance) was very common among my peers, and sometimes our authority figures. I distinctly remember one of my high school football coaches engaging in a back-and-forth with some (white) players, naming all the slang and slurs and epithets for black people they could think of, all with a big laugh.
I still regret not saying anything at the time. I knew it was wrong but I was afraid to say anything about it. In my experience, casual racism, and misinformation about history, was the rule, not the exception, among white people growing up (and teaching) in the 80s and 90s.
I’m not saying none of this ever happened or that it’s news to my virgin ears. I’m saying we all knew that it was wrong and why it was wrong as it was happening. I do not agree that we tolerated as much as we didn’t know what to do about it when we were young because adults and peers were larger influences on us than as we got older and wiser.
I disagree – most of “us” (i.e. white people, at least where I grew up) thought it was just fine, and even very good.
Not my experience, but okay.
maybe because they have been so vastly overrepresented in DC in comparison to urban americans.
The dead end aspect of their lives, is a long term project of US capitalism. They never voted against it. How on earth does it have to do with Dems trying to square all the circles, fight to let americans vote, and provide benefits to THEM. What is the answer supposed to be if they feel entitled to things that aren’t theirs and can’t happen? I suppose it’s violence. Not a good thing to be for.
Your education in Canada may have been drastically different from somebody else’s education in Louisiana or in Texas or in Idaho. Or even in New York. We do not have a national curriculum, or even for the most part state-wide curriculae.I expect some people in the 70’s and 80’s in the USA, quite possibly even in the areas where I went to school, got better educations in school than I did. But I think it’s very likely that a lot of people didn’t.
Depends on how one lives one’s life as a member of modern society.
A lot of people hang out primarily with others who agree with them, and a lot of people read/watch/listen to/converse about almost entirely those subjects which interest them. And a lot of people aren’t particularly interested in history, or in how various societies are constructed either historically or theoretically; or even in most current events that don’t on the surface appear to affect them directly.
That doesn’t mean that they’re stupid, or even that they’re being deliberately ignorant. There’s more information currently available than any human can possibly keep up with. [ETA: actually, this has always been true. There’s more information in a square mile of forest than fits in any human head; our brains automatically edit all sorts of stuff before it ever reaches consciousness. It’s just more obvious now, because we tend to think of “information” as “something a human wrote down”, and there’s certainly a lot more of that than there used to be.] Every one of us is being selective in what we pay attention to; that’s unavoidable. And a lot of people make different selections than I do, or than you do.
I think many people unfortunately are hearing over and over from the news sources they do get information from, as well as from conversations from others who are following the same sources, that what progressives are saying is that it’s all their fault. Some of the people pushing this line do so because that’s all the information they have, so they believe it. Some of the people pushing this line do so because they think it’ll increase their power and/or wealth and they don’t think the negative consequences will much bother them personally. Some of the people pushing this line do so because they’re quite deliberately trying to tear the country apart.
Some small bits of the problem may be poor progressive messaging. I don’t think that’s the main problem, and I don’t think any sort of progressive messaging can fix it, because those in the chain of misinformation who are doing it deliberately will just lie about what the messaging is, and others in that chain will believe it because they’re not reading what progressives are actually saying; at most they’re reading snippets taken out of context by the deliberate liars.
I don’t, unfortunately, know what will fix it. I doubt it’s entirely fixable; though there may be ways to reduce the effect.