I didn’t see the exchange in question but wanted to point out that being black doesn’t entitle one to being an bigoted asshole toward gays, trans, Jews, or other people of color - at least not without facing the social repercussions.
There are distinctions to be made between so-called ‘reverse racism’ that is borne out of a valid black anger toward a white society that has fucked them over and over and over again, and which seems content to continue fucking them into perpetuity…and just being a baseline shithead.
You have it backwards, the OP is ranting against a particular kind of conservative, the one that argues over and over in favor of Anti-social Injustice Warrior arguments.
First off, I made a lot of arguments that you ignored. This is a disingenuous way to argue. You need to address full arguments.
But, to reply to what you have said: No. You can’t be skeptical of someone and be empathetic towards them. You can’t feel for someone while arguing that they are lying about their feelings. Empathy requires you to put yourself in the place of the other person. And you do not tend to assume your own thoughts are lies.
Notice also that I made an argument rather than a bare assertion. The latter has no fucking value on a board like this. If you cannot make an argument for your statement, then your statement is useless. It’s just smoke and mirrors with no substance.
As the part I didn’t quote (note how I’m addressing it), it doesn’t fucking matter if someone says some nice things and then says horrible things. It is not remotely under debate that @YWTF told someone talking about having been suicidal that suicidal stuff is often fake, and then didn’t take it back when called out. It is also not fucking debatable that her sister came in and defended her.
You cannot rewrite reality to fit your own fucking biases. You admitted at the time that you had no knowledge on trans people. But then you keep on acting like you’re some sort of expert who can say what is and is not right.
You can’t. You don’t understand the topic, which is why you say absurd things and those of us who do have to correct you.
And, finally, when it comes to certain things, it is black and white. Bigotry is wrong. If you argue that a minority is a scary threat to you, you are objectively being bigoted. If you refuse to back down when you are told by the minority in question that you are being bigoted, then you do not care about them.
And you don’t get to cry out about sermonizing when you were fucking sermonizing, which is why I responded to you like I did. You tried to say how a trans person is required to feel when they face bigotry.
You were a condescending fucking ass about it, so you now get to feel what that’s like.
Bigotry is not a hard concept, and I’m not going to back down from defending it no matter how many times people try to paint me as the bad guy. You know you’re being disingenuous to do so.
Bigotry will be stopped, no matter how much weaseling you guys do to try and make it okay.
And then attacked the left for saying shit about Trump. Sam, for instance, tried to play off the January 6 attacks as not a coup. He’ll call us out when we attack Trump.
octopus kept attacking the BLM protests, while supporting the Trumpian tactics to add more violence. He also, you know, makes the same arguments Trump makes. And he will even sometimes defend Trump just to piss people off.
Waldo is the least bad, but he will still sometimes play game on the topic whenever he feels like he’s being attacked.
Does that mean they are bad people? No. But pretending they have never used their hatred for all us liberals to pull out Trump shit is disingenuous again.
I get tired of these perpetual fence sitters like @QuickSilver. They go out of their way to attack one side, while going out of their way to assume the best possible interpretation of the other. It’s disingenuous bullshit.
You aren’t a better person because you defend the assholes and disingenuous poster. It doesn’t make you more enlightened. It makes you more naive.
I ignored them because they were pedantic and boring. And don’t presume to tell me what I need to address. I address things I consider salient and worth addressing. Which is why I’m ignoring the rest of your Sermon from the Mouth.
“I attack people because I can’t prove their arguments wrong.”
I can tell you what you need to cover to actually prove someone wrong. It’s just basic reality of how it works. The fact that you are a disingenuous debater is now noted, and means the board would be better off with you.
And, again You are being a sermonizer too, so you don’t actually think it is wrong.
More disingenuous bullshit. You know it’s something people say about me, so you say it to try and irritate me. You lack any introspection, or I wouldn’t have to keep telling you this obvious shit.
I think this is a fair summing up of the poster (who’s getting one major fucking wrist slap, btw, for not making it “really” in the thread title).
A number of folks have been dumping on him in this thread about the re-education camp stuff, which I’m pretty sure he has completely repudiated. Thankfully. No clue as to why he, himself, didn’t bother to set that particular record straight.
You’ve been here, what - yay long - and haven’t seen {{{scads}}} of all those nasty bolshevists and socialists, here, absolutely tearing into each other, and not just in the pit, or over political stuff, but sometimes in CS and GR?
Sure, as I’m sure there are lefties who listen to Perry Como or 5 Neat Guys, or are experts at blind-folded cat’s cradle.
Not sure if I’m content enough with Sam Stone not quite fully walking back his “good conservative = Tea Party” bonbon.
…er, well, ok then, I spose:
Wouldn’t that qualify you as Libertarian?
Um, no. Ole Alaksa Hot-Legs would’ve been an effectively more cray-cray-pants VP than Harris currently is.
That’s not enough. It needs to be reckoned with as part of their world view that metastasized into toxicity. Without insight into this the cons will only be able to troll, and seek to gain power without earning it.
I agree that they defended aspects of Trump policies. Does that make them “Trumpists”, per the post to which I replied? Perhaps it’s open to argument that they are Trumpist-lite. I hadn’t considered that possibility when I replied.
I had actual Trump supporters that were occasional contributors to these boards in mind. I don’t think any of them remain.
Exactly. That is trolling. Conservatives need to be intellectually honest and that begins with their own back yard and their own trump fixations and similarities. They have to do that first, in public, to admit that this thing went sideways in a very bad way, to gain intellectual credibility again after the last 5 years.
It’s way long past time that conservatives self identify as to what they stand for in their posts. You can’t stand for “anti anti trump.” That is not a real position for an adult. Everyone here is over 18. Got to get over it and post reality about who you are in the world. Or at least stop bitching whinging and griping about your fee fees not being heard.
What the hell is there left to hear about how you refuse to take the intellectual positions that you want to defend.
I get what you’re saying but it seems to me that the right-wing world view existed pre-Trump. Trump’s rise was a result of that already established world view. Trump exploited it. Became its poster child. We’re now using Trumpism as shorthand for everything conservative. As you said earlier:
It is worth reminding ourselves from time to time that some conservatives - Lincoln Project comes to mind - stood in vocal and highly critical opposition to Trumpism. Still do, if I’m not mistaken. I don’t know if conservatives on this board are credited with being Lincoln Project type conservatives. Perhaps they do not deserve to be. I just know that I don’t hear much acknowledgement of that from progressives. I don’t know how much I have in common with Lincoln Project style conservatives. I just note that there are some that are not Trumpist.
Okay, they’re somewhere in between, perhaps. They’ve both argued, IIRC, that Trump and his administration have not in fact violated norms and even laws any more than Democrats and liberals have, and that Democrats are largely to blame for the excesses of Trump and Trumpism (i.e. that the election of someone like Trump was an inevitable and even partially justifiable backlash to the sins of Democrats and liberals).
That’s utter fact free, rationality free, bullshit, and such arguments offer nothing to the board.
No clue as to why he, himself, didn’t bother to set that particular record straight.